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  by Bracdude181
 
Not sure why the boxcar sat for so long but I do know why there was such a long time between shipments until recently.

Turns out Extech was getting their bricks from Claytons brick factory in Lakewood for a while. That was until Clayton sold it to Cambridge Pavingstones. Guess Cambridge charges a lot more than Clayton did for them to suddenly start getting rail service again.
  by JohnFromJersey
 
Bracdude181 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:00 pm Brick Recycling and Bel Ray share the tracks within Brick Recyclings facility. When Conrail drops the tank off it sits in a certain spot until Bel Ray unloads it. This spot is an indication to Brick Recycling crews to not work near the car, as their cutting equipment makes a lot of sparks and you don’t want that next to 20,000 or so gallons of Ethanol!

Bel Ray sends a tanker truck during the night to unload the car, going back and forth between the Bel Ray property until the tank car is empty. Supposedly they close off one lane of Route 34 to do this.

The empty tank remains there until Conrail picks it up. They don’t always pick it up on the return trip though.
I still think it would make more sense to have some sort of plumbing added to the facility, or just give Bel-Ray their own spur off of Brick Recycling's; I assume the back and forth with a tanker (which I believe I have seen them close a lane on 34 so it would be possible) isn't a very fast or economic process. Perhaps doing either the spur or the plumbing setup would also allow Bel-Ray to potentially get more cars if needed?
  by Bracdude181
 
@JohnFromJersey Bel Ray only ever gets 1-2 cars as needed so I don’t see them forking over the cost for a dedicated siding, which could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. A pump to move the oil could work but right now they seem satisfied with the current method.
  by Bracdude181
 
If SA31 runs today I won’t know about it. Up in Ridgefield Park today. Need a one week break from the norm lol.
  by exdirtbiker
 
Bracdude181 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:15 pm @JohnFromJersey Bel Ray only ever gets 1-2 cars as needed so I don’t see them forking over the cost for a dedicated siding, which could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. A pump to move the oil could work but right now they seem satisfied with the current method.
Ironically, my bother worked for 84 Lumber (corporate) in the 90s as their site design engineer. He said that a new switch, siding, enviro studies, etc. was at least $1,000,000 depending on length / how complex.
  by R&DB
 
#1581573 by exdirtbiker
Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:46 am
You used a key word in your cost description. That word is new which you used concerning the switch.This would cost about $800,000. But if you remove a used switch that is no longer in use and move it to the new location, it's about half that amount. Utilizing used rail you could save even more. A siding of this type only needs to be able to take the weight of the expected loads at very low speed.
  by Bracdude181
 
@exdirtbiker The cost to build a rail siding is one thing that scares many people away from rail shipping. Especially in NJ. Although sometimes the cost depends on which contractor you use for the job. Conrail covers the cost of a siding depending on a few things. (Mainly how many cars a customer will get)

@R&DB That reminds me. My friend once told me about a customer that used to be down here in the 60s-70s. I think it was called Agway and it was either in Lakewood or Whitesville. It used very thin rail (50 lbs or less) and could only take the weight of one Alco RS3 and three hopper cars. Anything heavier risked breaking the track!

Conrail and CSX (not sure about NS) say that a customer siding must be at least Class 1 track for them to run on it and it must meet all FRA standards.

However, with the possibility of Chesapeake and Delaware becoming the new operator that will change. Sidings must meet their standards for use. One of which is that sidings must be built with new or #1 rail of at least 115 lbs. They will allow an existing siding to be used with 100 pound rail, but only if they say the customer can do so.
  by R&DB
 
@R&DB That reminds me. My friend once told me about a customer that used to be down here in the 60s-70s. I think it was called Agway and it was either in Lakewood or Whitesville. It used very thin rail (50 lbs or less) and could only take the weight of one Alco RS3 and three hopper cars. Anything heavier risked breaking the track!
Agway was in Lakewood on County line Rd. Their siding was parallel to the Sou.Sec. on the East side of the main. They lasted until about 1990 and I shopped there several times in the 80s when we lived on Maxim Rd.
  by GSC
 
Didn't hear anything about SA31 running yesterday (Thursday). Anything up for today?
  by Bracdude181
 
They should run today. Never got an indication they ran yesterday. I won’t be out for it though. Might go see it when they go back.
  by Bracdude181
 
Permission to open up 2:59 PM
  by R&DB
 
Pretty long train today? Haven't heard lined and locked normal.
  by Bracdude181
 
Not sure. Haven’t heard lined and Locked normal either.
  by R&DB
 
Do we have another breakdown?
  by Bracdude181
 
@R&DB Perhaps. I’m not out chasing today so I’m not sure.
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