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 #1292760  by mp15ac
 
What commercially available model paint is closest to CP's "candy apple" red being currently used?

Thanks in advance.

Stuart
 #1292857  by Backshophoss
 
With Floquil and Polyscale paints discontinued,you might try finding a close match in the Model Master Military paint lines or
good olde testors automotive model paint line if you don't mind solvent based paint!
 #1293655  by mp15ac
 
Thanks for the replies.

So far I've checked Tru-Color, Scalecoat (I and II), Floquil, and PolyScale. No luck.

In checking the internet one forum mentioned using Testors Model Master "Chrylser Engine Red."

The biggest problem is that what I have to paint is the undecorated hood from a Kato SD90MAC to match the factory painted cab from the same model. The owner of the locomotive ruined the original shell, and asked me to paint the replacement shell.

Stuart
 #1293665  by Desertdweller
 
True "Candy Apple" colors are a two-part paint. I don't know if CP uses real Candy Apple red, as it would be pretty expensive.
For a real Candy Apple Red, a translucent red topcoat would be applied over a metallic undercoat. Most Candy Reds are translucent red applied over a gold basecoat. This allows light to penetrate the red, be reflected off the gold, and pass again through the red. Different effects can be made by using different undercoats: gold, silver, copper. Copper would give a warmer color than gold; silver would give a cooler effect.

Candy topcoats are available in a variety of colors: red, blue, green, orange, purple.

To do this on a locomotive would double both the paint cost and the labor cost.

Les
 #1293757  by Backshophoss
 
Believe the proper color name is "CP Action Red",so that Model Master color might be the closest match,
Testors Killed off the Floquil and Polyscale RR paint lines a few years ago,but are starting to bring back
the basic RR colors slowly in the Model Master acryl line(water based),look in the military and auto lines of
paint for the best color match.

When new the prototypes might have been "Clearcoated" at the Factory for the shine effect.
 #1294747  by mp15ac
 
Backshophoss wrote:Believe the proper color name is "CP Action Red",so that Model Master color might be the closest match,
Testors Killed off the Floquil and Polyscale RR paint lines a few years ago,but are starting to bring back
the basic RR colors slowly in the Model Master acryl line(water based),look in the military and auto lines of
paint for the best color match.

When new the prototypes might have been "Clearcoated" at the Factory for the shine effect.
CP "Action" red is the color used when CP when to the "Multi-mark" scheme back in the 1960's. It is a lighter shade of red than the current red being used on the "golden beaver" diesels.

Stuart
 #1294844  by Backshophoss
 
Because you are trying to match Kato's factory version of the paint,it might be possible to figure out the mix
by matching thru the "Pantine" color system if possible,or digging thru the CP's web site and finding a color chip
with the current colors and the "Pantine" color #
You may have to go to an Artist supply shop,or an Auto Body Supply shop to to get a proper scan
thru a paint scanner.
Last Resort: get the closest color match to the darker side of the current CP "red" and make a custom mix
using white paint to lighten the color to match; 3 drops of red +1 drop of white as a starting point.
(Old school method of paint matching)
 #1330090  by Engineer Spike
 
I wouldn't worry too much about what CP uses. Right now they are on a big kick to repaint units. The shades vary. Some have the dark red which came out on the dual flag scheme. The same colour seemed to Cary to the beaver, and now plain "Canadian Pacific" spelled out scheme. Some of the repaints are have a lighter red. The rebuilt ex SOO SD60 class, and some AC4400 have the new lighter shade. On a the other hand, 7306, and 7311 are dark red.