• Could a New Haven steamer be re-created?

  • Discussion relating to the NH and its subsidiaries (NYW&B, Union Freight Railroad, Connecticut Company, steamship lines, etc.). up until its 1969 inclusion into the Penn Central merger. This forum is also for the discussion of efforts to preserve former New Haven equipment, artifacts and its history. You may also wish to visit www.nhrhta.org for more information.
Discussion relating to the NH and its subsidiaries (NYW&B, Union Freight Railroad, Connecticut Company, steamship lines, etc.). up until its 1969 inclusion into the Penn Central merger. This forum is also for the discussion of efforts to preserve former New Haven equipment, artifacts and its history. You may also wish to visit www.nhrhta.org for more information.
  by 3rdrail
 
No, I'm not suggesting that it could be returned as is to running order either. At the very least, it would have to be purged of salt and chemicals (if found in sea water) under laboratory conditions for quite a while. However, as testament to the materials and the way things were built back then, representative samples from what we have seen (look at that oil cup for example) appear to be in remarkable condition. My speculation was to wonder if it might be possible using parts from such a salvaged steamer, if there is one, so as to have a direct connection with an actual NH loco as opposed to one that had no connection whatsoever.
  by Ridgefielder
 
OK, I understand now.

Unfortunately, from anything that I can gather, there were NO New Haven steamers that were preserved even in part. Remember, Southern New England is not very rich in the kind of heavy industry that needs stationary steam boilers, etc.-- and that has been the case since at least the 1930's, if not earlier.

As for New Haven locomotives in the water, I can't recall ever hearing of any in the state of Connecticut. Can't speak for MA/RI/NY of course, but I'd be surprised if there were any in those states, either. I always thought that B&M Pacific in Portsmouth was something of an anomaly. Remember, anything that went into a CT river in NH steam days would very likely have been washed away and/or buried under mud in the '55 Flood.
  by Cosmo
 
3rdrail wrote: My speculation was to wonder if it might be possible using parts from such a salvaged steamer, if there is one, so as to have a direct connection with an actual NH loco as opposed to one that had no connection whatsoever.
Well, thagt IS the idea with 3025, although the parts will be more or less cosmetic.
FWIU the headlights, bell and whistle will all be of former NEW HAVEN heritage. Who knows what other parts may find their way onto this locomotive? :wink:
  by H.F.Malone
 
In 1941, NH I-2 Pacific #1307 was pulling a southbound passenger train on the Berkshire Line, and derailed on a curve, due to excessive speed, and went into Hatch Pond. Crew was killed, engine was removed from pond, and was later scrapped.
  by fordhamroad
 
-any progress to report on the recreation of a NH type steam locomotive. Haven't hear much since last summer. Thanks

Roger
  by CVRA7
 
Cosmo, hopefully someone will update the VRR blog concerning the 3025 project.
On a somewhat related subject, there is one steam locomotive that (IIRC) once belonged to the New Haven still in existance - it is the "Daniel Nason" at the National Museum of Transport near St Louis MO. The Nason was built by NYNH&H predecessor Boston & Providence, and later became property of the Old Colony. The Nason became property of the New Haven after they obtained the Old Colony. From what I read, it was never operated by the New Haven. Eventually it was purchased by the Danbury Fair owners and displayed at the fairground. After the Danbury Fair property was sold off it went to NMoT.
  by Cosmo
 
Aaah yes, I've heard of the D. Nason and there are piics of it online someplace.
PROJEKT 3025 is currently in the VRR shops undergoing exstensive tear-down and inspection work, including uktrasonic testing. Currently, some smaller parts hhafe been refurbished, (ie: superheater and flue tubes removed and sandblasted, ) but will most likely bbe several weeks before things begin to be re-assembled.
I was there a week ago assisting with the Ultrasonic testing (sanding smooth spots for the sensor) and will be there again tonight for whatever I can help with.
Still going to be months to go before shhe starts to "look like an engine" again.
Stay tuned!
  by 3rdrail
 
If I'm not mistaken, the "Daniel Nason" is very similiar (if not identical) to the B & P RR's "D.B Torrey" of the infamous Bussey Bridge Disaster of 1887 in Roslindale. The Torrey sped ahead to Forest Hills to bring back help, blasting it's whistle all the way, after it's passenger consist plunged down to the roadway on the defective Tin Bridge.