• CNJ Southern Division

  • Discussion of the CNJ (aka the Jersey Central) and predecessors Elizabethtown and Somerville, and Somerville and Easton, for the period 1831 to its inclusion in ConRail in 1976. The historical society site is here: http://www.jcrhs.org/
Discussion of the CNJ (aka the Jersey Central) and predecessors Elizabethtown and Somerville, and Somerville and Easton, for the period 1831 to its inclusion in ConRail in 1976. The historical society site is here: http://www.jcrhs.org/

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  by R&DB
 
liftedjeep wrote:
R&DB wrote:
jcomuzzi » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:38 pm
If you need an example of the booths visit Farmingdale.
Concrete phone booth along the passing siding in Lakehurst:

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Ben
Ben, thanks for the photo. It corrects what I said about the boothes. They are hexagonal, not octagonal. :-)
  by jcomuzzi
 
Thanks R&DB. So I'm beginning to think the signals only controlled the main. Do you (or anybody) understand what the notations in the track diagram:
viewtopic.php?f=186&t=9617&p=1504273&hi ... n#p1504273" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; mean? The upper head usually has a box separated into vertical sections (relative to the signal head), The 2nd head usually has a box separated into some number of horizontal sections and the 3rd head if present has a diagonal line. Some masts also have a small circle below the 2nd head. I remember from the 70's there were signals that had a fixed red light for the 2nd head and not a full signal head. There's a lot of detail in that diagram, it must have meant something.

Thanks again!
  by Bracdude181
 
Does anyone know what sorts of equipment was used on the last passenger trains that ran south of Lakehurst before service stopped in the 40s?
  by R&DB
 
Passenger service ended in 1953. Cars were at that time mostly 1920s era coaches, baggage, combines and RPOs. Locos were mostly 4-4-0 and 4-6-0 Camelbacks from Baldwin and Alco. I imagine the 820 and 830 series on Pacifics ere also seen, but after the Blue Comet's demise in 1941, the were mostly used in commuter territory.
  by GSC
 
Bob Hoeft's article on working the Southern out of Red Bank in the 50s said FM HH-15 Baby Trainmasters were used in the last of the passenger service, along with 4-6-0 Camelbacks. He mentioned how you took water in the tender at Lakehurst and Barnegat before turning on the turntable, to balance the table, making it easier to "armstrong" it.
  by R&DB
 
GSC wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:09 pm Bob Hoeft's article on working the Southern out of Red Bank in the 50s said FM HH-15 Baby Trainmasters were used in the last of the passenger service, along with 4-6-0 Camelbacks. He mentioned how you took water in the tender at Lakehurst and Barnegat before turning on the turntable, to balance the table, making it easier to "armstrong" it.
I thought the turntable in Lakehurst was removed around 1930. When did Mr. Hoeft work for CNJ? The Baby Trainmasters make sense as the passenger service lasted until 1953.
  by GSC
 
R&DB wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:50 am
GSC wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:09 pm Bob Hoeft's article on working the Southern out of Red Bank in the 50s said FM HH-15 Baby Trainmasters were used in the last of the passenger service, along with 4-6-0 Camelbacks. He mentioned how you took water in the tender at Lakehurst and Barnegat before turning on the turntable, to balance the table, making it easier to "armstrong" it.
I thought the turntable in Lakehurst was removed around 1930. When did Mr. Hoeft work for CNJ? The Baby Trainmasters make sense as the passenger service lasted until 1953.
Not sure how long he worked for CNJ. The article mentions working in the 50s, before passenger service ended. He did talk about the turntables, Lakehurst included. Maybe someone knows when the table was removed. I saw some old track maps of Lakehurst, and it was quite extensive at one time. Shops, turntable, junction and wye, lots of trackage. It was the trade-off meeting point of JS-1 and SJ-2 through freights. The engineers traded engines while the conductor stayed with his train. He spoke of some Red Bank passenger service ending at Lakehurst, others went on to Barnegat. No mention of any pass service south of Lakehurst.
  by R&DB
 
#1576967 by GSC
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:45 am
Gary;
The turntable, roundhouse and most shop buildings were definately gone by 1931. (From aerial photo via Historic Aerials) Passenger service below Lakehurst (except Barnegat) I believe ended 1941. All remaining Passeger service on the Southern ceased in 1953.