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  by R&DB
 
@David,
I'm not familiar with the term 'pups'. Please educate me and any others who are also unfamiliar with this jargon.
  by nomis
 
It's an elder smaller switcher locomotive, with nearly full visibility from the cab both forward (over the long hood) and back (to the coupler) . Under powered compared to typical road or passenger locomotives of that generation. Look up an EMD SW8.
  by R&DB
 
Thanks nomis. Just never heard that term before. We just called them switchers as opposed to road switchers. And I looked up Pine Belt and it was actually called Pine Belt Southern Railroad and was based in Mississippi. Could find no photos of their livery. I guess Clayton used them for a while before Ashland.
  by Bracdude181
 
We had engines like that in this line? Nice! I’m a fan of the oddball power that isn’t really around that much nowadays. (Bring back the GP15s CSX!!!)

Last time we had switchers on the Southern was in 2014 when Conrail delivered two engines to NWS Earle. Would be cool to see something like that in this line again.

Who knows, maybe Seashore Lines will expand to the point where one of those engines would be needed or otherwise justified. The newer ones aren’t completely underpowered at least.
  by CR7876
 
David,

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4745329

Shore Fast Line had two SW1200's. They operated what is now the SRNJ , in the mid to late 80's
It was always my understanding that Ashland Railway operated two Geeps from inception in 86 until they gave it up in 88/89. Perhaps ASHY leased them before the geeps came? I have a few pics and videos from old VHS's of the operation back then, but no mention of pups.
  by Bracdude181
 
The NJ Government just released a statement regarding grant money for freight rail projects in 2021. One of which is for the Dover and Delaware River Railroad, and it says the money will be used in Ocean, Middlesex, and Monmouth counties.

All of these areas are home to at least one Conrail line served by a local out of Browns yard, one of which is the Southern Secondary.

There’s been rumors going around that Chesapeake and Delaware might takeover operations on all central Jersey freight lines from Conrail, meaning Seashore Lines would exchange cars with C&D in Lakehurst and not Conrail. Is this true??
  by Ken W2KB
 
Bracdude181 wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:29 pm The NJ Government just released a statement regarding grant money for freight rail projects in 2021. One of which is for the Dover and Delaware River Railroad, and it says the money will be used in Ocean, Middlesex, and Monmouth counties.

All of these areas are home to at least one Conrail line served by a local out of Browns yard, one of which is the Southern Secondary.

There’s been rumors going around that Chesapeake and Delaware might takeover operations on all central Jersey freight lines from Conrail, meaning Seashore Lines would exchange cars with C&D in Lakehurst and not Conrail. Is this true??
That begs the question, is the 10 year contract entered into circa 1999 by Clayton and CMSL still in effect? It likely would be far more cost efficient for C&D to operate the entire distance to Clayton, rather than interchanging with a CMSL/NJSL isolated section of track.
  by Bracdude181
 
@Ken W2KB I’ve looked around on the Surface Transportation Board website, and it looks like the agreement for Seashore Lines to operate the track still stands. They filed an exemption notice in 2009 to run the track.

Looked around for anything on Chesapeake and Delaware and found the documents from when they took over from NS in North Jersey. Nothing about them taking over Central Jersey.

I’ve been doing some research into this, and honestly, I have doubts about this whole C&D thing. Maybe they will take over, maybe they won’t. Not sure if they have the resources to pull it off either.
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