• Brightline West / XpressWest / DesertXpress) Las Vegas - Victorville - Rancho Cucamanga - Los Angele

  • This is a forum for all operations, both current and planned, of Brightline, formerly All Aboard Florida and Virgin Trains USA:
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This is a forum for all operations, both current and planned, of Brightline, formerly All Aboard Florida and Virgin Trains USA:
Websites: Current Brightline
Virgin USA
Virgin UK

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  by dgvrengineer
 
This is not good news. Looks like there will be a serious delay. Basically, they couldn't sell the bonds so they are postponing everything. They will have to go back to California at a later date for permission to sell bonds again. The current deadline in California is Dec 1.
https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2 ... sell-bonds
  by mtuandrew
 
Simplest solution would just be to have the state or Feds buy the remaining unsold bonds. Worst case, the government gets a railroad they probably would have needed to build anyway; best case, the American taxpayer gets a few hundredths of a penny back.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
There is far greater insight within this Bloomberg article than within that referenced within the TRAINS Newswire piece noted by Mr. DVG Engineer.

The fact remains that Brightline (FL) simply "wasn't making numbers", and who knows what's ahead for it post-COVID.
  by Pensyfan19
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:32 pm The fact remains that Brightline (FL) simply "wasn't making numbers", and who knows what's ahead for it post-COVID.
This is due to the fact of Brightline, as of pre-COVID, only ran between West Palm Beach and Miami, basically the same corridor as the existing Tri-Rail but on a parallel line and with fewer stations. Not to mention, it only ran between West Palm Beach and Ft. Lauderdale for a few months. Brightline likely didn't ¨make the numbers¨ since it runs parallel to a well-known existing commuter route, and did not open its extension to Orlando, DIsney World or Tampa yet. Once it goes beyond the region which Tri-Rail serves, then it will have greater traveling opportunities for customers and will significantly increase ridership. ALso keep in mind that while Brightline is shut down, they´re still working on their Orlando extension, expected to be completed by late 2021 or 2022, and (up until yesterday) are planning to serve the most sought after corridors which currently has no passenger service. Once these routes are open, Brightline will be able to serve two large regions and have high ridership. Basic economics.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Pensyfan19 wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:49 am Once these routes are open, Brightline will be able to serve two large regions and have high ridership. Basic economics.
Duly noted Mr. Pennsy. It never had a chance pre-COVID, and as you note, through this "condition", construction continues.

But I think potential investors in the "Angels-Meadows" venture want to see those numbers before "stepping up to the Tables".
  by eolesen
 
Lol... "Basic economics" would mean that you serve markets that need the service.

Right now, there's not a lot of evidence that MIA-ORL will be an overnight success, although I suspect it might be popular with cruise passengers wanting to go visit the Mouse more than it will be locals.

Problem is that the Mouse isn't open for tourism in any meaningful way right now, and who knows what the future looks like for big theme parks... COVID won't be the last super-virus we see in our lifetime.
  by lensovet
 
Note that "the numbers it wasn't making" were their own numbers. That they estimated for that "redundant" segment, not some future hypothetical network. It's those numbers, both in terms of ridership and revenue per passenger, that they failed to meet.

Edit: just noticed that the Bloomberg article referenced above is from August. This one is more current, and it looks like California is not giving them any more extensions.
  by Jeff Smith
 
https://nbcpalmsprings.com/2021/03/31/c ... las-vegas/

Not sure there's much new here, but here it is anyway:
The California Department of Transportation announced a proposal to assist XpressWest in the development of an electric high-speed passenger rail system from Apple Valley to Rancho Cucamonga that would run primarily along Interstate 15.

The proposal for The Cajon Pass segment was announced on Monday, March 29 marking the start of a 15 day Notice of Intent period for the public.

This project will serve as the second segment of the Brightline West high-speed passenger rail system that will initially connect Apple Valley to Las Vegas over 170 miles of track, with 135 miles in California.
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The Cajon Pass segment will add 50 miles to this alignment primarily within the existing I-15 corridor right of way protected by a median barrier, ending with a station constructed adjacent to or connected to the Rancho Cucamonga Metrolink train station.
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