by J.D. Lang
It's always been the sign of the times. Whichever special interest group has the most power over the Pols. w/o any pushback will win. Trail people are winning everywhere in NYS.
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J.D. Lang wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:57 amTrail people are winning everywhere in NYS.What's really weird is that to the best of my knowledge MNR just built the new 23 mail trail segment from Brewster to Hopewell in a way that preserved the single line of tracks that are all that's been there for years.
J.D. Lang wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:27 pm You are probably right about it not bring a good E/W route in terms of terrain and sapping some of the Harlem line passengers above SE. Anyway here is something interesting.Thanks for the link. I've been wondering what HRRC's position would be, given that they have no customers west of the old Danbury station, and no prospects certainly west of the state line. They are of course contemplating passenger service to Southeast, and on to NYC. Whether that intent is serious or not is a subjective matter.
HRRC filling with the STB:
...As you can see, HRRC is looking for compensation for loss of rights.
Unless Housatonic Railroad and Metro-North reach agreement to the contrary, Housatonic Railroad expects to both oppose and object to the adverse abandonment application after it is filed. ...
Housatonic Railroad has no comments with respect to most of the requested waivers..1 However, HRRC does object strongly to the request for a waiver of the requirements of 49 C.F.R. § 1152.22(b) which section requires a description of the “Condition of the Properties”. Metro-North has been in complete control of the property since its acquisition in 1995. Since Metro-North acquired the property, maintenance of the property has been exclusively the responsibility of Metro-North. The Condition of the Property is an important factor for the Board to consider in reviewing the Application when it is filed and it is particularly relevant to HRRC’s likely opposition to the application.
A waiver of the requirements of 49 C.F.R. § 1152.22(b) is sometimes granted in connection with applications for adverse abandonments because the applicant frequently has limited knowledge about the condition of the properties. However, that concern does not apply in this case and waiver is unnecessary and inappropriate since, as indicated supra, the applicant has had complete control of and responsibility for the condition of the property. See, Port of Benton, Wash.—Adverse Discontinuance of Rail Service—Tri-City R.R. Co., LLC, STB Docket No. AB 1270, slip op. at 4 (Service Date October 31, 2018).
Jeff Smith wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:43 amAs you can see, HRRC is looking for compensation for loss of rights.Clearly they're looking for money, the question would be if they had any real expectation of being able to practically use trackage that's been in disrepair and literally cut in places for years, or if they're simply looking for money because they think they might able to get some. Corporations are people enough that FOMO seems to apply...
Backshophoss wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:33 pm Well there goes the option to move equipment between lines,Thanks HRRC,you made the trail geeks happy.That doesn't really compute - there's already been trail alongside the Brewster - CT portion for years, and more built over the last year between there and Hopewell Junction.
unichris wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:48 pm Keeping the option of a connection from Danbury to Southeast in some form seems to make sense, but from there through Hopewell probably not since it's too indirect for anything but freight or excursions and as a freight route it only really made sense when the whole Poughkeepsie bridge route was there as competition to the Selkirk one.For what it's worth, the Maybrook outlasted the Poughkeepsie Bridge by close to 20 years. Conrail ran daily Selkirk-Cedar Hill road freights via Beacon, Hopewell Jct., Brewster and Danbury until they unloaded the Danbury cluster to the HRRC in 1992.