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  by Pensyfan19
 
Very interesting to see a commuter rail agency proposing to merge with a subway system.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... with-bart/
Caltrain’s board of directors will consider a merger with Bay Area Rapid Transit as part of a restructuring of the commuter railroad’s governance, although a BART spokeswoman says its board has had no discussions of the concept. The San Jose Mercury News reports the long-discussed concept of integrating the two rail services comes as Caltrain moves toward a more rapid-transit-like model, with a goal of offering service on 15-minute intervals along an electrified route.
  by west point
 
Not much in common except rail and passengers. Would a merge make the Dumbarton route more or less feasible ?
Might enable a second set of tubes have both BART and Caltrain tracks in use ?/
Putting BART under FRA would be a downer.
  by eolesen
 
There's a lot of admin headcount and overhead that could be eliminated if they merged but kept the operating entities separate. But, this is California, so everyone will be kept and get a raise.

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  by ExCon90
 
west point wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:53 pm Not much in common except rail and passengers. Would a merge make the Dumbarton route more or less feasible ?
Might enable a second set of tubes have both BART and Caltrain tracks in use ?/
Putting BART under FRA would be a downer.
I believe that to claim authority over BART the FRA would have to show physical connectivity to the US rail network; presumably the difference in gauge should keep the FRA out of the picture.
  by lensovet
 
lol they are proposing merging with BART and BART hears about it from the news? doesn't sound like they are off to a great start.

it would probably make a lot more sense for them to fold operations under CCJPA or SJJPA and better align services with existing Amtrak and ACE services. I don't understand financially how running caltrain every 15 minutes makes any sense, especially once BART is going all the way to Santa Clara.
  by west point
 
My point is that combining BART and Cal Train is that they might plan to use common facilities to save mega bucks. The 2 projects that that may be combined is the Dumbarton bridge crossing and new tubes from downtown San Francisco to Oakland. Getting the signal systems to talk to each other would bring FRA into the mix.
  by lensovet
 
what mega bucks?

caltrain has never had any plans to make any bay crossings. the only reason they would do this would be to finally align schedules at millbrae and potentially eliminate redundant services in the south bay once the bart extension is built.