• ARTICLE: Merge Metra, Pace, CTA into a mega-agency? CMAP suggests massive changes, but there's pushb

  • Discussion related to commuter rail and rapid transit operations in the Chicago area including the South Shore Line, Metra Rail, and Chicago Transit Authority.
Discussion related to commuter rail and rapid transit operations in the Chicago area including the South Shore Line, Metra Rail, and Chicago Transit Authority.

Moderators: JamesT4, metraRI

  by Jeff Smith
 
Daily Herald
Rescuing transit from a fiscal free fall could require higher taxes or fees and possibly kneading Metra, Pace and the CTA into one mega-agency, Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning officials said Wednesday.

The three organizations face a combined $730 million annual budget shortfall starting in 2026, when federal COVID-19 funding dries up. In 2022, state lawmakers required CMAP to report on the crisis and offer solutions.

"Be bold. Re-imagine our transportation system. Focus on ensuring the system is financially viable. Make it stronger than it was before COVID-19. Consider equity, climate change and economic growth," is how CMAP Executive Director Erin Aleman described their objectives.
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  by eolesen
 
This proposal won't end well. Hopefully, by 2026 when the bottom falls out, we will be out of the Illinois Dept of Taxation Theft's reach.

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  by DominikW118
 
I really hope they go through with this. I feel like we're such a sore outlier with such an agency structure. I also hope the state will fully fund the desires of CMAP, I'll gladly put my tax dollars towards that.
  by eolesen
 
They won't cut service to meet the budget or shrinking ridership.

This is all about finding a legal structure to take the suburbs' tax base to make up for the city's shortfall rather than having to live within their means.

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  by DominikW118
 
Makes sense to me. The suburbs should pay up. Don't expect stuff without paying for it. It's either that or higher fares. Or no service. But that's my opinion, and the taxpayer always hates paying money for anything, even if it's good. Oh well. FIngers crossed.

Also quoting doesn't work for me right now for some reason.
  by eolesen
 
DominikW118 wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:47 am Makes sense to me. The suburbs should pay up. Don't expect stuff without paying for it. It's either that or higher fares. Or no service. But that's my opinion, and the taxpayer always hates paying money for anything, even if it's good. Oh well. FIngers crossed.
Yeah, no. This deal isn't about bailing out Metra. It's about bailing out the CTA.

Suburban users don't expect stuff from the CTA because THEY DON"T USE IT. And they shouldn't have to pay for services that operate exclusively within the City limits....

Metra can (and should) cut services to match demand, and raise fares to better reflect the cost of the service. It's something they can do without too much voter backlash... at the end of the day, only 5% of suburban residents (300,000 daily out of 6M) use Metra. And the folks who ride Metra are indeed a captive audience. Nobody's ditching the train to sit in traffic and pay more for parking than what they pay for a round trip ticket on Metra.

The City of Chicago.... can't cut service or raise fares without serious voter backlash. Around 30-50% of city residents ride CTA.... (1.7M daily rides with 3M residents). And those residents are already getting hit with higher taxes to pay for police/fire/school contracts that can't be supported by the current tax base.


We've had this discussion for three years ---- ridership projections for the next five years is still only expected to get back to 70% of pre-Pandemic ridership. You simply cannot operate 100% of the pre-Pandemic network at 70% funding, nor can you justify operating that much excess capacity.

Schedules need to shrink and fares need to go up. Merging agencies is only going to kick the can further down the road (something Illinois is great at doing).
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  by RandallW
 
eolesen wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 3:15 pm
DominikW118 wrote: Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:47 am Makes sense to me. The suburbs should pay up. Don't expect stuff without paying for it. It's either that or higher fares. Or no service. But that's my opinion, and the taxpayer always hates paying money for anything, even if it's good. Oh well. FIngers crossed.
Yeah, no. The City of Chicago needs to raise their property taxes to cover what they provide in services. And that includes the CTA.

Suburban users don't expect stuff from the CTA because THEY DON"T USE IT. And they shouldn't have to pay for services that operate exclusively within the City limits....
Maybe you should look at a map of the CTA service area and of the city of Chicago. Every L train route extends outside of Chicago except the brown and red lines, and the yellow and purple lines have only one station just inside the city limits.

If the suburbs didn't use L services, they wouldn't be running outside the city, so clearly the suburbs do benefit from the CTA's operations.