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Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

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Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Jeff Smith
 
Nah, they could still go into NYP if they can make the grade down to the Empire Line or over to the NEC around 180th. GCT? Absolutely not.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Volks, isn't the ascent from Riverside Drive to George steep enough? One thing for autos, something else for rail. Funny how I remember riding in the '48 Pontiac "woody" and saying "Daddy, how do we get up there to the Bridge?".

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Jeff Smith
 
Yes, the grade is significant, as noted upthread. They'd need a significant tunnel/ramp to get down there, just as noted with the TZB proposal. That's why I was thinking Hellgate Line around 180th (the old NYW&B junction).

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by STrRedWolf
 
Folks are forgetting... you got the New Jersey side of the GW Bridge to worry about! There's no rail nearby. You got to go through several suburbs to do it. Unfortunately I can't see any way to do it without taking over part of I-95 at Secaucus to just past the bridge... and you still got the single track on the Empire line. You're now down to 6 trains an hour.

Not good.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Backshophoss
 
GWB to w30th street branch would be over 3% GRADE WISE a real bad dream,NY Penn is overloaded already so forgetaboutit! OK :P

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by west point
 
Bridge ove the Hudson would have the problem of the many Utilities that cross. Unfortunately they are not located precisely. At least the Gateway tunnels will go under any forgotten utilities. Still I would expect one or more utilitys will be cut.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by BandA
 
Prepare the Emergency Backup Pontoon Railroad Bridge for when the tunnels fail, with tugboats to open & close the shipping channel.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Pensyfan19
 
BandA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:07 pm Prepare the Emergency Backup Pontoon Railroad Bridge for when the tunnels fail, with tugboats to open & close the shipping channel.
Or reroute everything via the PATH subway tunnels and reconstruct them to have connections to Hoboken and NYP. :P

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by n2cbo
 
Pensyfan19 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am
BandA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:07 pm Prepare the Emergency Backup Pontoon Railroad Bridge for when the tunnels fail, with tugboats to open & close the shipping channel.
Or reroute everything via the PATH subway tunnels and reconstruct them to have connections to Hoboken and NYP. :P
I'm glad you put a smiley at the end of your post. I was just trying to imagine the double deck cars trying to fit into the PATH tunnels, let alone make the curves........ 8^)...

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by STrRedWolf
 
n2cbo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:02 pm
Pensyfan19 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:23 am
BandA wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:07 pm Prepare the Emergency Backup Pontoon Railroad Bridge for when the tunnels fail, with tugboats to open & close the shipping channel.
Or reroute everything via the PATH subway tunnels and reconstruct them to have connections to Hoboken and NYP. :P
I'm glad you put a smiley at the end of your post. I was just trying to imagine the double deck cars trying to fit into the PATH tunnels, let alone make the curves........ 8^)...
Oh it won't. It'll be a messy affair to get everyone on PATH and buses.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Backshophoss
 
Hey red,lay off the bloodwine please!!.Pontoon bridge is a lost cause in NY harbor :grimacing: :grimacing:

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by STrRedWolf
 
All of it is next-to-last-resort deal anyway.

The best thing to do is get Gateway built.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by STrRedWolf
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:20 pm Mr. Wolf, are you of mind to emulate "my" road - only X the Hudson?

https://bridgehunter.com/ia/clayton/bh51377/
No. There's too much boat traffic on the Hudson to allow it. We can argue if it could support 60 mph operations, but it won't matter when a ferry is trying to get folks from New Jersey to New York and there's this damn useless pontoon bridge blocking the entire river.

Let me be clear on my position:
  • We can short-term reroute over PATH and ferries today because COVID-19 has folks working mostly from home.
  • We can't short-term reroute when things get back to pre-pandemic levels, and they will.
  • The best thing that CAN be done is BUILD THE DAMN TUNNELS and LAY DOWN MORE TRACK. Oh, and DO IT NOW.
  • Waiting any longer will make it more expensive.

Re: Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

  by Gilbert B Norman
 
StrRedWolf wrote:
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Mr. Wolf, are you of mind to emulate "my" road - only X the Hudson?
No. There's too much boat traffic on the Hudson to allow it.
Mr. Wolf. I was a college Freshman when the MILW abandoned the "bridge" during '61; and had no idea I'd be on the outfit's payroll some nine years later.

But from those having the "whiskers", such as the Agent at Marquette, IA, track speed was ostensibly 10mph - and that was on a "good day".
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