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  by NortheastTrainMan
rcthompson04 wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:50 am
NortheastTrainMan wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:29 pm Also, how was it done when engine swaps were more common? Like when Keystones regularly used diesel on the Keystone Corridor? Same / similar process?
I don't think I have seen a diesel on a Keystone in a decade other than as a rescue, a precaution for inclement weather or once functioning as a control car.
I was referring to the late 1980s into the early 2000s, pre-Keystone Corridor upgrades when Amtrak was experiencing electric locomotive issues & shortages. Back then, if I'm not mistaken, it was common to see diesels pulling Keystone trains.

This TrainOrders thread from 2001 speaks about it: https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/ ... p?4,506003

Another from Wikipedia. I know it's not 100% reliable, but it can work.
"Before the introduction of Acela electric high-speed service over the Northeast Corridor, and after facing a shortage of electric locomotives (both E60 and AEM-7 models), Amtrak used GE Genesis diesel locomotives between Harrisburg and Philadelphia, with an engine change to an electric (usually AEM-7) locomotive at 30th Street Station. Due to the slower schedules combined with higher ticket prices and competition from SEPTA, ridership declined."
- Wikipedia / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Corridor

Lastly one from Trains Magazine forums, it also speaks on select trains using the NEC south of Philadelphia: https://cs.trains.com/trn/f/743/t/164012.aspx

"It just depends. At times when there was a shortage of electric motors AMTRAK changed all trains that O & D south of WASH and the Pennsylvanian, Braoadway, Keystone trains at PHL saving about 7 - 8 motors. Also when the New Haven - BOS CAT was finished for a time some trains continued to go diesel northeast of New Haven until all motors were operational. Remember the problems with the E-60s and HHP-8s that sideline them many days causing a very low availability."
  by CNJGeep
The cafe cars are used when there's a cab car shortage because the cafe cars have the Wi-Fi router like the cab cars. Without one or the other the wifi will not work.
  by NortheastTrainMan
I thought about posting this in the Unique Sightings thread, but I wasn't sure if was "Unique" enough for it.
Anyways, last week on Nov 15, 2023, I rode Amtrak Pennsylvanian 42 to New York.

When I boarded in Philadelphia, I saw what appeared to be 3 ACS-64 locomotives on the head end. But since I wanted a seat and I didn't want to stand so close to employees handling the engine change (I'm a supporter of personal space), I boarded the train.

When we got to NY Penn. I decided to take a look. Lo & Behold, there were THREE ACS-64s leading the train. I couldn't believe it. I never rode a triple header before, and they're rare to see in revenue service on the Northeast Corridor.

The engineer mentioned that one of the locomotives was dead in tow.
Never a dull moment on my rail travels.
Anyways, you can check out my video of it here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf-2TFoGVgQ
  by rcthompson04
That is fascinating. That seems like an easy way to move equipment back to Sunnyside if there is an issue. You only need one engineer to accomplish two tasks.
  by west point
2 active units would probably make up drag of third unit. Does the electrical system CAT have enough amperage available to handle 2 units pulling full power?
  by CNJGeep
twropr wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:21 pm Have any PENNSYLVANIAN or KEYSTONE trains carried an extra coach this week?
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