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  by ExCon90
 
I always assumed the PRR had a New York-Harrisburg pool because I never saw a crew change at North Philadelphia on any of the east-west through trains that made North Philadelphia their only Philadelphia stop. Of course there has been a world of changes since those days, but labor agreements have a way of surviving many things.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. Twropr, those less informed on Labor matters than are you and I should note that there was "equity" between the NY and HBG Divisions.

In "my day" 86 mi NY-Phl and 103 Phl-HBG meant that 86/189 of the C&E jobs belonged to NY and 103/189 to HBG. That was known as "equity" when two different "boards".shared a particular run.

Of course, I can't begin to speculate what occurred with the "groundbreaking" agreements (anyone with exposure to both knows they were not "warmed over same old") Amtrak and the Employees negotiated after the '80's Assumptions were complete.
  by rcthompson04
 
I took Keystone Service Train 640 this morning. It was approximately 2/3 full when we arrived at Philadelphia at 650. About 2/3 exited the train and a slightly smaller crowd was in line to board for New York.
  by rcthompson04
 
I was on a Keystone tonight and the crew member said we were stopped leaving 30th Street heading west for being "penalized" going too fast leaving the yard. I have never heard that before. Is this a PTC concept?

Speaking of speeds, I was wondering if anyone had the speeds for the line from 30th Street to Harrisburg?
  by STrRedWolf
 
Emergency penalty stops for overspeed violations are part of the PTC spec, which Amtrak's ACES falls under.

As for the MAS on a map, I've been trying to find out myself. There's no public speed limit map anywhere. I'd love to find one that's a long-term listing -- I know track orders will change the speeds downward.
  by mcgrath618
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:19 am Emergency penalty stops for overspeed violations are part of the PTC spec, which Amtrak's ACES falls under.

As for the MAS on a map, I've been trying to find out myself. There's no public speed limit map anywhere. I'd love to find one that's a long-term listing -- I know track orders will change the speeds downward.
IIRC Overbrook to PAO is 79 MPH, and generally everything past that is 110.
  by CNJGeep
 
mcgrath618 wrote: IIRC Overbrook to PAO is 79 MPH, and generally everything past that is 110.
Incorrect. Overbrook to Paoli is 80 on 2+3, 70 on 1+4, with numerous speed restrictions for curves. West of Paoli to effectively Parkesburg, it is 90 on 1+4
  by mcgrath618
 
CNJGeep wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:26 am
mcgrath618 wrote: IIRC Overbrook to PAO is 79 MPH, and generally everything past that is 110.
Incorrect. Overbrook to Paoli is 80 on 2+3, 70 on 1+4, with numerous speed restrictions for curves. West of Paoli to effectively Parkesburg, it is 90 on 1+4
Thank you for correcting me. Like others I wish that there were publicly posted and known speeds, not unlike the NEC.

Past PAO is it 1+4? I thought that, at least around Gap and Lancaster, that the configuration used 2+4 (which is why Strasburg occupies Track 1 at Paradise).
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