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  by daybeers
 
Also, most of the Acela-1s are leased, not owned.
  by electricron
 
rcthompson04 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:56 pm On the Acela topic, pre COVID a few of the Keystones were only a few minutes slower than an Acela. Right now it appears there is a Keystone that is only 4 minutes slower than an Acela in the late morning PHL to NYP. For a third of the price I will take 4 minutes longer.
The current Acela trains are limited to 135 mph max speeds in New Jersey, the new Acela 2 trains will be able to reach max speeds of 165 mph in New Jersey. That should increase the time savings over Amfleet trains that will continued to be limited to just 125 mph max speeds in New Jersey. 40 mph speed difference over 10 mph speed difference should amount to some more time savings.
Will it be worth triple fares, only time will tell.
  by njtmnrrbuff
 
Yes those Acela II trainsets will be able to do 165 in NJ down the road and that will certainly reduce some more travel time off the schedule between NYP and PHL over taking an Amfleet set. Remember that in a couple of years, the Amfleets are going to get replaced. That includes the ones that run on the Keystone Corridor. In the next few months, we will know what will replace the Amfleets.
  by west point
 
Just remember for the Acela-2s to do they will have to test to 181.5 MPH That is 165 + `16.5 = 181.5 That 16.5 is 10% of the 165 required by present FRA rules.
I have not heard that the tests so far have reached over what 165?
  by electricron
 
west point wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:16 pm Just remember for the Acela-2s to do they will have to test to 181.5 MPH That is 165 + `16.5 = 181.5 That 16.5 is 10% of the 165 required by present FRA rules.
I have not heard that the tests so far have reached over what 165?
Where in the FRA regulations did you pull the 10% higher speed test from?

FRA regulation on calculating max speed
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/213.329
FRA regulation on testing max speed
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/213.345#e

specific clause under discussion lately:
"(2) When stage-one testing has successfully demonstrated a maximum safe operating speed and cant deficiency, stage-two testing shall commence with the subject equipment over a representative segment of the route as identified in paragraph (e)(1) of this section.
(i) A test run shall be conducted over the route segment at the speed the railroad will request FRA to approve for such service.
(ii) An additional test run shall be conducted at 5 m.p.h. above this speed."

5 mph over rated speed is 10% or higher at rated speeds 50 mph or less. At 165 mph rated speed, 170 mph is just 3% higher. Math=170/165 x 100 = 103.030303
  by Train60
 
I wonder what Amtrak thinks of this.

H.R.609 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)
The bill requires Amtrak to convey specific properties to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, including the Keystone Line and all stations between Harrisburg and Philadelphia, excluding 30th Street.

The text of the bill can be found here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... l/609/text
  by photobug56
 
Whose bright idea is it to have Amtrak give these properties to PA? And does it make any sense? And would PA have the money to take good care of any piece of it, let alone all of it?
  by STrRedWolf
 
photobug56 wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:24 am Whose bright idea is it to have Amtrak give these properties to PA? And does it make any sense? And would PA have the money to take good care of any piece of it, let alone all of it?
It's on the site as the sponsor: Rep. Smucker, Lloyd [R-PA-11]
  by Cbattz
 
Hey all first time commenter, long time follower! I'm taking a trip from nyp-pao on Sunday the 14th and I noticed the trip time is much longer than standard - 2.5hrs. Upon further inspection, when you book a trip for that day from phl-ard, Amtrak says it will take over 30 mins. will they be doing trackwork that involves a reverse move back through zoo or something? The reverse trip between ard-phl is the standard 12 or so mins.
  by STrRedWolf
 
Cbattz wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:40 pm Hey all first time commenter, long time follower! I'm taking a trip from nyp-pao on Sunday the 14th and I noticed the trip time is much longer than standard - 2.5hrs. Upon further inspection, when you book a trip for that day from phl-ard, Amtrak says it will take over 30 mins. will they be doing trackwork that involves a reverse move back through zoo or something? The reverse trip between ard-phl is the standard 12 or so mins.
They're doing track and station work until April 30th:
https://www.amtrak.com/alert/keystone-s ... anges.html
  by CNJGeep
 
Switch replacement at Zoo, though I'm not sure exactly where, means either a trip over the Berry and back through the subway, or down 2 Through Freight to the JO. I think SEPTA is bussing that weekend.
  by rcthompson04
 
Train60 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:57 pm I wonder what Amtrak thinks of this.

H.R.609 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)
The bill requires Amtrak to convey specific properties to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, including the Keystone Line and all stations between Harrisburg and Philadelphia, excluding 30th Street.

The text of the bill can be found here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... l/609/text
Smucker seems to have some real beef with Amtrak for some reason. As someone whose taken Amtrak and SEPTA on the line I am adamantly opposed. The Keystone Service is airline first class compared to SEPTA bargain airline at the back.
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