• Acela II (Avelia Liberty): Design, Production, Delivery, Acceptance

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Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by electricron
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:01 pm Are we going to run the Acelas on the Keystone? Sounds like we're going to...
I don't think so because supposedly Amtrak has ordered 10 sets of new Siemens Venture coaches and ALC-42E locomotives for the Keystone services.
  by eolesen
 
Yup. Acela enthusiasts want to see them on the Keystones but the mechanics want them turned into museum pieces or razor blades... those trainsets have been ridden hard and put up wet, and aren't anywhere near as durable as a Budd or Pullman....

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  by rcthompson04
 
eolesen wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:00 pm Yup. Acela enthusiasts want to see them on the Keystones but the mechanics want them turned into museum pieces or razor blades... those trainsets have been ridden hard and put up wet, and aren't anywhere near as durable as a Budd or Pullman....

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Does anyone think PennDOT would pay for such additional expense? They cannot even pay for a cafe car.
  by STrRedWolf
 
rcthompson04 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:13 pm Does anyone think PennDOT would pay for such additional expense? They cannot even pay for a cafe car.
You got a point, although it's tempered by the fact that the food quality is beaten out by 7-Eleven...

Or Royal Farms...

Probably Wawa. Haven't tried their burgers yet. And Sheets is slated to come in my area in the next few years.
  by photobug56
 
Wawa's OK. But I wouldn't trust the food at most Long Island 7-11's, for me, my family, friends. I would love to replace all the Long Island 7-11's and Bola Markets with Wawa and Sheetz. Preferably with English speaking employees and local ownership.
  by scratchyX1
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:43 pm
rcthompson04 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:13 pm Does anyone think PennDOT would pay for such additional expense? They cannot even pay for a cafe car.
You got a point, although it's tempered by the fact that the food quality is beaten out by 7-Eleven...

Or Royal Farms...

Probably Wawa. Haven't tried their burgers yet. And Sheets is slated to come in my area in the next few years.
Wawa is above rofo , but just barely.
There's now a sheetz around bwi.
Honestly, is there enough distance on keystone to even Merit a cafe?
  by Matt Johnson
 
scratchyX1 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:51 pm
Honestly, is there enough distance on keystone to even Merit a cafe?
Philly - Harrisburg, maybe not. New York - Harrisburg, arguably yes. I think gone are the days of entire 85 ft cars devoted to cafe car service. The new Acela of course has shorter TGV length coaches, and a more compact cafe car design. I'm not sure what the food service will look like on the new Siemens fleet.
  by ExCon90
 
Considering the time of day people will be traveling, I would say yes even from Philadelphia because if you can get coffee and danish on the train you don't have to eat beforehand or after arrival; and if you're driving you'll have to get something on the way, adding 30 to 45 minutes on a two-hour trip. Coming back from a day in Harrisburg there should be a lively demand for refreshments. I don't know whether Amcafe revenue would cover the operating costs of the service, but I think the presence of a cafe car could be the determining factor for many people in favor of the train versus driving.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Matt Johnson wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:11 am I think gone are the days of entire 85 ft cars devoted to cafe car service.
Interesting point, Mr. Johnson.

Now what I think is overlooked (likely because many of the members here weren't even born) is that the A-I's as delivered configuration included revenue space in all of the Food Service cars. However, save the Business Class cars with 2-1 seating (formerly AmClubs), revenue seating has been removed and replaced with tables (ostensibly so passengers can consume purchases and not to become the crew's "rolling Union Hall".
  by STrRedWolf
 
scratchyX1 wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:51 pm Wawa is above rofo , but just barely.
There's now a sheetz around bwi.
Honestly, is there enough distance on keystone to even Merit a cafe?
I'm just south of BWI. The Sheetz isn't there yet. They're in the planning stage for building it.

For the Keystone, it's 3.5 hours between Harrisburg and NYC. I think that merits a cafe, but Harrisburg would need supply reloading.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. Red Wing, that is not Amtrak's call.

The sponsoring agency, the NNEPRA, wanted such as part of their contract. Since the Boston & Maine never joined Amtrak (no need as they were "out" before A-Day), there was no Food & Beverage (or trains) between Boston and Portland. As a result, they were able to install an outside contractor with non-Agreement staff, resulting in a lesser cost to provide F&B on the route.

Finally, there has never been a "rerun" of the Empire Service-Subway sandwich fiasco.
  by Red Wing
 
More to the point is that the Downeaster and the Keystones are both funded and contracted by the State of Maine and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. If Pennsylvania wanted to have food they could have it just like Maine. As you said there are a few more Labor concerns though that would make the price more for Pennsylvania. But one thing that Maine does right is highlighting local food and beverages.
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