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lvrr325 wrote:IMHO the clubs out there should get together, maybe form a Model Railroad Club Association and share some of their events, like NOME and the TTCS do for Lockport. There's 22 of them in 32 weeks if you count WNY as everything west of NYS Route 14, between TTCS, TCA, GSME, the WNYRHS, RIT and Greenberg, including some Southern Tier events - that doesn't include multiple toy shows, or events like the Erie, PA train show that draws from part of the same pool of dealers. While some of them are somewhat far apart, I've noticed a core group of guys at shows that generally have a set distance they're willing to drive who will go to all the shows within that distance and buy some things. The rest of the attendance is more casual, people just there to look. If they can go to an event every week or so, they're going to worry less about skipping some of them.I don't consider the border of western NY to be State Route 14. Most of maps portray the border of western NY to be the county lines for Genesee, Orleans, Wyoming and Alleghany Counties. My Jimapco atlas includes the west side of Rochester (but not the east) and also extends as far as Hornell. The news media has made a push in recent years to include Rochester as part of western NY, but that was not so back in the day. But I digress....
MACTRAXX wrote:ML (and Everyone): Interesting thoughts concerning Upstate NY geography...I've had a fascination with geography almost as long as I've had a fascination with trains. I looked at maps to find out where EL and LV went through New York state, which quickly grew into looking where towns and cities are.
I never noticed NYS 14 being considered a dividing line between Central and Western New York
until you brought it up noting how it runs S/N Elmira-Watkins Glen-Geneva-Lyons-Sodus Point.
Was Rochester considered to be in west-central NY? Interesting that ROC was not considered
to be in WNY. It is not quite CNY the way that Syracuse is. To me that is the heart of CNY.
As a Downstater very interested in NYS geography I was always interested in all regions and all
62 counties of our state - and what was considered to be in each region.
For example I consider Interstate 84 between the PA and CT line to be the dividing route between
Downstate and Upstate New York along with Orange and the southern part of Dutchess Counties
in the mid-Hudson area to be what the boundary areas are.
MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone:I've never gone to a show in downstate NY. For that I want, I can usually find it at a show. If the item in question can't be found locally, I'll just order it online or over the phone. There's no point spending the time and gasoline to travel to a show that's an hour or more away for common items such as Morning Sun Books. Those who collect rare model or tinplate trains may feel differently, of course.
Getting back to the train show topic I will ask: Are there any train shows in the Downstate or the
NYC Area in NY-NJ or CT that are attended by many that come from regions Upstate?
An example: The JCRHS show in Clark,NJ 3/5/2017 http://www.jcrhs.org/rrshow.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As most of us know there are "megashows" such as the ARHS show in central Massachusetts that
attracts literally thousands of visitors from all over the East Coast and even further...
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What always surprised me was scheduling this show in midwinter in which weather would be a
major factor concerning show attendance but so far things have worked out and it is a welcome
event during a quieter time of year.
I noticed mention of shows outside of NYS in PA. Are there others in surrounding states that many
NY residents attend or is it close geographically places such as Erie or Scranton primarily?
Are there shows in Ontario that many NY residents attend? Does it pay for vendors from NYS to
go to buy/sell at Ontario shows or is the US/Canada border now become too much of a hassle?
Is it the same for Ontario residents attending NYS train shows?
I believe that there are many train shows in varied areas because there is enough people to
support them but as also mentioned many train enthusiasts tend to now be aging and unless
that there is younger members coming "on board" this could very well change over time...
Thoughts from MACTRAXX