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Pavonia no more

Post by Roadgeek Adam » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:31 am

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/me points to Newport: go burn in hell.

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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:36 pm

The only Pavonia now is in Camden.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by M&Eman » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:13 pm

Why was Newport-Pavonia/Newport-Pavonia Ave.-Erie named after the railroad that served it originally, and not after a location like Hoboken and Exchange Place were? Was there really nothing around this station besides the Erie terminal?
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by umtrr-author » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:49 pm

When I was a kid in Jersey City the Erie was already part of the EL and had given up their Jersey City Terminal. There was certainly not much around then. Maybe some park and ride lots or something more casual than that, but I don't recall as we rarely ventured down to the end of Pavonia Avenue.

I was afraid that the blog post would call out the erasure of the "E"s from the station supports. Probably too costly so safe for now.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by HBLR » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:11 am

Those ornamental capitals are preserved legally i believe. This is a shame, but i always called it newport anyways. I wonder how long it will take HBLR to change the name.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by Roadgeek Adam » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:50 am

umtrr-author wrote:When I was a kid in Jersey City the Erie was already part of the EL and had given up their Jersey City Terminal. There was certainly not much around then. Maybe some park and ride lots or something more casual than that, but I don't recall as we rarely ventured down to the end of Pavonia Avenue.

I was afraid that the blog post would call out the erasure of the "E"s from the station supports. Probably too costly so safe for now.
The actual Pavonia Terminal has been closed for 52 (now nearly 53) years. So technically its been an error for a while. However, I really think this is a load of crap for a rename. Its an honor of history for god sakes.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:57 pm

54 as of now. It closed in late 1956 and all Erie service moved to Hoboken.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by Roadgeek Adam » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:40 pm

R36 Combine Coach wrote:54 as of now. It closed in late 1956 and all Erie service moved to Hoboken.
56? No way

The Northern Branch and NYSW used it until 1958. The Erie's rest dumped it in 1957.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by HBLR » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:15 am

In light of all of the recent building boom going on in the area, it was only a matter of time before the name was changed to make it easier to remember. I can imagine it is also going to save a few dollars on printed materials and advertisements as it is now a little less than half its original length. They should at least have some kind of plaque or something commemorating the old terminal, after all if it was never there, the station would not have been constructed.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by HBLR » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:54 am

M&Eman wrote:Why was Newport-Pavonia/Newport-Pavonia Ave.-Erie named after the railroad that served it originally, and not after a location like Hoboken and Exchange Place were? Was there really nothing around this station besides the Erie terminal?
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:43 pm

The name change has been in place since the new November 7 PATH timetable update.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by Jeff Smith » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:21 pm

Brief Quote:
The station was originally named Erie, after the Erie Railroad, explaining the station columns adorned with the letter “E,” before eventually being renamed after the street adjacent to the station, Pavonia Avenue. Pavonia then became Pavonia/Newport as Newport Associates began redeveloping the waterfront properties. The redevelopment divided Pavonia Avenue, and the Lefraks never seemed quite satisfied with a piece of Jersey City squarely in the middle of the their development eventually lobbying the city to rename Pavonia Avenue to the much more suburban strip mall sounding “Town Square Place.”
I don't like it either when places lose their historic names. It's still the Pan Am building to me, and Misericordia Hospital, not Lady of Mercy.

I'd be interested to know if any other names in the PATH system have changed?
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by Ken W2KB » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:25 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:Brief Quote:
The station was originally named Erie, after the Erie Railroad, explaining the station columns adorned with the letter “E,” before eventually being renamed after the street adjacent to the station, Pavonia Avenue. Pavonia then became Pavonia/Newport as Newport Associates began redeveloping the waterfront properties. The redevelopment divided Pavonia Avenue, and the Lefraks never seemed quite satisfied with a piece of Jersey City squarely in the middle of the their development eventually lobbying the city to rename Pavonia Avenue to the much more suburban strip mall sounding “Town Square Place.”
I don't like it either when places lose their historic names. It's still the Pan Am building to me, and Misericordia Hospital, not Lady of Mercy.

I'd be interested to know if any other names in the PATH system have changed?
Pavonia being the Dutch settlement name from the earliest of times is appropriate. My nomination for worst historical name travesty in Jersey City is the renaming in Liberty State Park of the main approach road to the CRRNJ Terminal from Johnston Avenue (named after the first President of the CRRNJ) to Audrey Zapp Drive, named after one of the park proponents. Appropriate to have one of the new park roads or paths named Zapp, but not the cited change.

I have never heard of any other PATH name changes, except predecessor H&M when it was moved from Park Place Terminal in Newark to Penn Station in the 1930's. That was an actual geographic place move of 1/2 mile or so of course.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by OportRailfan » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:33 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:Brief Quote:
The station was originally named Erie, after the Erie Railroad, explaining the station columns adorned with the letter “E,” before eventually being renamed after the street adjacent to the station, Pavonia Avenue. Pavonia then became Pavonia/Newport as Newport Associates began redeveloping the waterfront properties. The redevelopment divided Pavonia Avenue, and the Lefraks never seemed quite satisfied with a piece of Jersey City squarely in the middle of the their development eventually lobbying the city to rename Pavonia Avenue to the much more suburban strip mall sounding “Town Square Place.”
I don't like it either when places lose their historic names. It's still the Pan Am building to me, and Misericordia Hospital, not Lady of Mercy.

I'd be interested to know if any other names in the PATH system have changed?
1. Journal Square used to be known as Summit Ave.
2. World Trade Center used to be Hudson Terminal.
3. There also were 19th St. and 28th St. stations, and Manhattan transfer near Hudson Yard/Tower.
And now 4. Newport used to be known as Pavonia/Newport, and Erie.

Oh, and before the H&M moved operations to Newark Penn, there used to be Park Place in Newark up until 1937.
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Re: Pavonia no more

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:37 am

Frank, thanks. See, now sometimes a name change is appropriate. Maybe just not this one.....
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