Paper Related Traffic and Cars

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by gokeefe » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:26 pm

Between that and the upgrades of Catalyst? Yes. Note also that the machine restart includes upgrades. Pretty big deal really.

Here are some other thoughts:

In the past twelve months we have seen the following developments: Sappi Somerset decides to invest about $80-$100 million in a new machine, Catalyst in Rumford decides to make major capital investments ($10 million +). In the past two weeks alone Old Town has been sold to new ownership which is planning a restart and just a few days ago Millinocket was announced as the site for a new cross laminated timber mill ($100 million).

The last twelve months have probably seen about as many new announcements for new capital investment as the last twenty years combined.
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by NHV 669 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:56 pm

Cosakita18 wrote:Could this mean the return of PORU / RUPO as daily jobs??
What are they now? Up one day/down the next?
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by KSmitty » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:06 pm

NHV 669 wrote:What are they now? Up one day/down the next?
Yes.
gokeefe wrote:...In the past two weeks alone Old Town has been sold to new ownership which is planning a restart...
The facility isn't reopening as a pulp mill. It's going to be redeveloped as a wood products oriented business park. Its not going to bring back the jobs that the Verso announcement promises and its not going to do much for rail traffic.

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by gokeefe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:31 am

What do you think about the Millinocket project? I don't have a very good feel for whether or not this type of mill would generate demand for rail service.
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by gokeefe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:47 pm

A second cross laminated timber mill has announced its intention to locate in Maine subject to site selection.
SmartLam, a Montana-based company that is the first manufacturer of Cross-Laminated Timber in the United States, announced Thursday it plans to expand its operations to the East Coast by opening a new manufacturing facility in Maine.

Located in Columbia Falls, Mont., SmartLam is among the six companies the Maine Technology Institute announced Thursday would receive collectively $10.5 million through the Maine Technology Asset Fund 2.0 program. The program is funded by the $45 million R&D bond approved by voters last June.

MTI awarded SmartLam $3 million toward a $23.5 million project to build a CLT manufacturing facility in Maine that is expected to create 100 direct jobs and 200 indirect jobs.

Site selection for the facility is "in process and will be completed within the next two months," SmartLam reported in a news release.

The company, whose president and general manager Casey Malmquist was a keynote speaker at the 2016 annual meeting of the Maine Forest Products Council, is the second CLT manufacturer to announce plans for Maine this week.
120,000 square foot facility. 48 million board feet per year.
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by Cosakita18 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:40 pm

gokeefe wrote:A second cross laminated timber mill has announced its intention to locate in Maine subject to site selection.


120,000 square foot facility. 48 million board feet per year.
would either the new Millinocket project or this project generate significant rail traffic? I assume they wouldn't replace what was lost by the mills, but anything is better than nothing I suppose.
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by gokeefe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:56 pm

I've been wondering the same and took the time to look at the Smart Lam plant. They do in fact have rail access but it does not appear to be for raw materials. There was a hopper of some kind on site. I think the plants in Maine may end up using rail for some shipping and receiving but it is unclear how much. Verso Machine No. 3 and the pulp mill are a much more straightforward proposition.
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by fromway » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:43 pm

Similar products are produced at the LP plant in Houlton. There is some rail traffic on finished products only,but not sure how much. I think it depends on how long the product is. Only time will tell.

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by NYC27 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:01 pm

Some of the stories about the Old Town mill indicate some interest in starting the pulp mill back up. I find it hard to believe that Carrier, Gardner and Varney would form a JV without a really big upside in the form of wood chip consumption - a lot more than a simple biomass boiler would consume. The former tissue mill and warehouse have plenty of space for a CLT plant and more. If Trump pulls us out of NAFTA that would help the economics greatly. There is a large amount of western Canadian softwood pulp imported to Maine and the rest of the Northeast.

As far as CLT - I would think studs would be trucked in from area mills (they are mostly off rail) although some may arrive that way as might the adhesive and any custom CNC produced beams and panels will go truck straight to the job site. Perhaps the occasional job or crane mat order would go rail. We’ll have to see how the product develops.

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by gokeefe » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:40 pm

Verso is reopening another mill, this one in Wickliffe, KY. The company clearly feels quite confident in their economic prospects.
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by newpylong » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:42 pm

Tell that to Bucksport.

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by gokeefe » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:49 pm

Thought about them as I was writing it. Too little too late ...
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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by CN9634 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:58 pm

newpylong wrote:Tell that to Bucksport.
This mill in KY is a pulp and brown wrap mill... given the pulp markets are way off (huge shortage for a variety of reasons) this is not a surprise. At the time of its closure, Bucksport was producing Groundwood & speciality papers -- completely different product line from the this KY mill. Also, Bucksport wasn't exactly know for being the most efficient mill out there.

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by newpylong » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:09 pm

Bucksport could have been converted to pulp OR sold to another party, of which there was at least one interested. Instead it was a ramrod sale to a scrapper, that should tell you something. The fact of that matter is the mill was sacrificed so that the New Page merger could continue with less scrutiny.

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Re: Paper Related Traffic and Cars

Post by roberttosh » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:46 am

If Bucksport was still operating, some of the recent expansions at the surviving Maine mills may have not come to fruition. Probably better to have fewer, healthy, growing mills than more ones with questionable futures. The Sappi, Verso and NIne Dragons mills all seem to be on solid ground right now and will hopefully continue to expand their capacities going forward.

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