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phoebe snow

Post by blue comet » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:14 pm

can anybody tell me what phoebe snow train had the round drumhead on the last car and where can I get a picture of it thank you

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Re: phoebe snow

Post by mtuandrew » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:59 pm

Moderator's Note: Moved to the Erie, DLW, and E-L forum.

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Re: phoebe snow

Post by charlie6017 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:48 pm

Hello,

Both west and east-bound Phoebe Snow trains had the drum-head at the rear of the last car. During
Erie Lackawanna days, the last car was "tavern-lounge" cars 789 and 790 but as you can see in the 1st
photo below, these aren't drum-heads. 2nd photo was at the 2001 Hoboken Festival

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2nd photo courtesy http://www.hobokenterminal.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: phoebe snow

Post by blue comet » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:48 pm

Was there only two drum heads made for eastbound and one for westbound Phoebe Snow ? And if so was the one on the back of the train at the Holbolken festival in 2001 a original or a reproduction ?

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Re: phoebe snow

Post by charlie6017 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:01 pm

blue comet wrote:Was there only two drum heads made for eastbound and one for westbound Phoebe Snow ? And if so was the one on the back of the train at the Holbolken festival in 2001 a original or a reproduction ?
Those questions I do not know the answer to, maybe someone else has those answers.

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Re: phoebe snow

Post by scottychaos » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:14 pm

Im pretty sure the drumhead in this photo:

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Has nothing to do with the actual, historic Phoebe Snow train..
looks like its just a modern creation..

Phoebe Snow, the female advertising figure invented by the DL&W, dates way to back to about 1900..
she appeared in advertisements for the DL&W going back that far, and on into the mid 20th Century.
However there was no train called "The Phoebe Snow" until 1949!
And it was always the one modern, streamlined version..
So there was probably only ever one actual Phoebe Snow "drumhead" at the end of the Phoebe Snow train..this one:

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Not really a "drumhead" in the traditional sense..but that's all there was on the train.
Im 98% sure the version in the first photo, on the blue passenger car, is not historically accurate..

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Re: phoebe snow

Post by map193 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:28 pm

blue comet wrote:Was there only two drum heads made for eastbound and one for westbound Phoebe Snow?


Looking at some newspaper articles from the late 1960's in the Jamestown, NY area there is a picture of the Phoebe snow heading westbound with the two square "heads" on it. So I'm assuming that there were two "heads" on the end of the train for both directions in the DL&W days as well as in the EL days.
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Re: phoebe snow

Post by ExCon90 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:04 pm

Yes, the photo in scottychaos's post above is how both trainsets appeared on the DL&W and EL.

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