Mystery Photo

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by urrengr2003 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:06 pm

I think Brian Solomon is an expert. Always go with a B&A man. Signal line on north side of RofW is also consistent with B&A practice between Chester and Westfield as documented by several old photos between these locations.B&A

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by dcm74 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:17 pm

Here's the Google map with the location circled.
Rt 20Huntington MA.jpg

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by Mikejf » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:56 pm

Doing the Google street view, that location is incorrect. The ground is all wrong.

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by Trinnau » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:29 pm

Yes, that's the place I was looking at. I have to admit these places are uncannily similar. But, I still rule out Huntington. With all due respect to Brian's mastery of the B&A, this is a B&M location.
The road is parallel and doesn't change it's relationship to the track in the distance where the road in the photo does.

The photo center also clearly crosses the inside of the curve with the far bank of the river and group of trees just offset to the right. That angle would not result in the same composition at Huntington. The road is the giveaway. Also, the spacing for the vertical guardrails would be gradually changing at Huntington as the road is on a continuous curve, where it has a bit of a "wiggle" at Erving, defined by a sharp change in spacing.

Here's a markup of the mystery photo compared to Google images of the two locations. Huntington has been flipped so you're looking at it the same way.
Mystery Photo Erving.jpg
Mystery Photo Markup
Erving Google.jpg
Erving Markup
Huntington Google.jpg
Huntington Markup
And as Mikejf mentions, the Google Street View shows the road and tracks at the same grade at Huntington which doesn't match the photo where the road is always higher.

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by Red Wing » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:29 pm

You are looking at a current aerial of Erving. Route 2 has changed in this area so the alignment may have been different many years ago.

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by dcm74 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:52 pm

Brian Solomon dug into his archives and found this picture. It is ground level but the mountain contour does match. Location is milepost 122 approx 2 miles west of Huntington Center. Picture was taken in 1988.
Conrail_SEFR_at_milepost122_along WestBranch_Westfield_River _west_of_Huntington_MA_811am_Nov18_1988_Rollei_T_with_Zeiss_lens©Brian_Solomon_53661727.jpg

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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by kilroy » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm

The river looks completely different though. I know rivers change over time but the two are very different. The mountain contours are not that unique as to be definitive.
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Re: Mystery Photo

Post by dcm74 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:59 pm

In order to match the original picture the photographer would have had to cut down several hundred 50+ year old trees to reach the top of the hill. He would then be able to focus on the bend that is visible at the rear of the picture. Major floods in 1936, 1938 and 1955 did rearrange some of the riverbanks.

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