SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

[ChesterValley]

CRRC also bidded for the NJT order but im not sure that NJT is required to follow the "Buy America" because its a state agency ? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

The US Congress explicitly working towards forbidding the use of Federal funds to go to CRRC https://www.enotrans.org/article/senate ... companies/

I wonder if these will have any height issues on SEPTA and also what would the naming for these would be and knowing SEPTA they'll probably take out the bathrooms.

If SEPTA has turned down bathrooms on the new coaches, and the Silverliner V's, I seriously doubt they will have a sudden change of heart. No idea what it would take SEPTA to actually have a bathroom, especially when these trains have stupid long delays.


Outside of that, I'm not so sure if Bilevels bricks are the magic bullet to fix SEPTA's problems. Keep in mind dwell times spike with these things, especially for a line like Paoli or Doylestown on the R5 where the stations are so clustered together.

[mcgrath618]

CRRC also bidded for the NJT order but im not sure that NJT is required to follow the "Buy America" because its a state agency ? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

The US Congress explicitly working towards forbidding the use of Federal funds to go to CRRC https://www.enotrans.org/article/senate ... companies/

I wonder if these will have any height issues on SEPTA and also what would the naming for these would be and knowing SEPTA they'll probably take out the bathrooms.

If SEPTA has turned down bathrooms on the new coaches, and the Silverliner V's, I seriously doubt they will have a sudden change of heart. No idea what it would take SEPTA to actually have a bathroom, especially when these trains have stupid long delays.


Outside of that, I'm not so sure if Bilevels bricks are the magic bullet to fix SEPTA's problems. Keep in mind dwell times spike with these things, especially for a line like Paoli or Doylestown on the R5 where the stations are so clustered together.

SEPTA doesn't have bathrooms because the FRA doesn't require them to. If they were to expand into Maryland to connect with MARC (which is apparently in the works), they would be over the minimum length for bathrooms for both crew and passengers on the route. I think it's 60 miles.

[ChemiosMurphy]

Outside of that, I'm not so sure if Bilevels bricks are the magic bullet to fix SEPTA's problems. Keep in mind dwell times spike with these things, especially for a line like Paoli or Doylestown on the R5 where the stations are so clustered together.

Tell that to the people that can't get a seat. For me, it sucked standing from Manayunk to 30th on a rush hour train. Also, those standees will now get a whole two pathways to stand in.

Less cars, more people, win win.

The dwell times for egress shouldn't be too bad if people are ready to roll at their station.

Also, no more awkward middle seat. People will be thrilled.

Also, I'd say 93.3% of people don't care about bathrooms since the rides are so short. How many people really use the restrooms on NJT trains that are less than 60 minutes?

[CNJGeep]

if people are ready to roll at their station.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[sammy2009]

Hopefully dwell times is reduced by the time these cars possibly hit the rails. It would help if SEPTA really amped up the high-level platforms in the next five years.

[andrewjw]

I wonder if these will have any height issues on SEPTA

SEPTA ran some NJT MLV IIs through the Center City Tunnel to test for their new CRRC MLVs, so these should fit fine.

[mcgrath618]

I wonder if these will have any height issues on SEPTA

SEPTA ran some NJT MLV IIs through the Center City Tunnel to test for their new CRRC MLVs, so these should fit fine.

Did they really? Does anyone have any pics?

[ekt8750]

I wonder if these will have any height issues on SEPTA and also what would the naming for these would be and knowing SEPTA they'll probably take out the bathrooms.

They cleared NJT's current MLVs back when they were soliciting bids for their own multilevels.

[mcgrath618]

what would the naming for these would be

Probably Silverliner VI.

[ExCon90]

if people are ready to roll at their station.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They won't be able to roll if there are standees in the aisle who aren't getting off there. People can miss their stop under such conditions.

[Head-end View]

The much maligned Long Island Railroad has had bathrooms in every second car of its electric fleet for the last fifty years. And all their runs are under sixty miles.

[DutchRailnut]

Bathrooms are not a requirement by law, not even for crews as long as bathrooms are available along the route (stations /yards/tower/ etc.

[R36 Combine Coach]

silverliner 4's are almost at the end of their useful life as is the Arrows.

CRRC also bidded for the NJT order but im not sure that NJT is required to follow the "Buy America" because its a state agency ? Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

In fact, the Silverliners have gone almost 45 years without a full rebuild, only modest upgrades along the way.

Buy America Act applies only to new car orders with federal transit funding (capital grants). State or 100% agency funded contracts are not subject to Buy America preferences for domestic assembly, labor and content. For example many MTA new equipment (bus and railcar) orders are fully self-funded by MTA Capital Program. Many NJT projects are fully funded by state transportation funds. Others, such as the ALP44s and some of NJT's MCI suburban coaches were financed by foreign investment banks.

[jamesinclair]

Also, I'd say 93.3% of people don't care about bathrooms since the rides are so short. How many people really use the restrooms on NJT trains that are less than 60 minutes?

You dont care until you need it. And just because your time on the commuter rail is under 60 minutes, that doesnt mean your entire trip is.

[ChesterValley]

I've been stranded on multiple trains for 2 hours, which is always fun when Amtrak has a delay or some other hiccup on the Paoli line. The R5 train from Thorndale though Doylestown lasts from 4:50 am to 730 am in the morning with multiple thorough runs lasting through the day, even with the crew change at suburban that's still a long haul. Furthermore SEPTA needs to do something to compete with Uber/lyft, bathrooms would be a very attractive amenity assuming they maintain them properly