SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by rcthompson04 » Thu May 02, 2019 9:51 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone - Interesting report on 6abc Action News on 5/1 titled:
"Building it Better: How SEPTA plans to improve mass transit in Philadelphia"
https://www.6abc.com/travel/how-septa-p ... a/5280342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One mistake I took notice to is the mention that the CRRC multilevels due in 2020 are going to
replace railcars dating from the 1970s (meaning the Silverliner Four cars) which is not the case
with only 55(?) new cars to be added to the fleet. This will only increase the amount of trains
using locomotive-hauled consists alongside the new ACS64 motors now in service.

An outright replacement will be the future order of Silverliner Six cars (around 200 cars) which
WILL replace the entire Silverliner Four fleet. These cars are now between 45 and 43 years old
as of this year. Do they have a legitimate chance to get to 50 years of service?

MACTRAXX
Whether they should or not, they will almost certainly. I think the point 6ABC is trying to get across is that many of these cars will start supplanting existing Silverliner IV runs like the all day push-pull run.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by mcgrath618 » Thu May 02, 2019 10:33 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone - Interesting report on 6abc Action News on 5/1 titled:
"Building it Better: How SEPTA plans to improve mass transit in Philadelphia"
https://www.6abc.com/travel/how-septa-p ... a/5280342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One mistake I took notice to is the mention that the CRRC multilevels due in 2020 are going to
replace railcars dating from the 1970s (meaning the Silverliner Four cars) which is not the case
with only 55(?) new cars to be added to the fleet. This will only increase the amount of trains
using locomotive-hauled consists alongside the new ACS64 motors now in service.

An outright replacement will be the future order of Silverliner Six cars (around 200 cars) which
WILL replace the entire Silverliner Four fleet. These cars are now between 45 and 43 years old
as of this year. Do they have a legitimate chance to get to 50 years of service?

MACTRAXX
Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by ChemiosMurphy » Fri May 03, 2019 5:14 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
Since this would be an option from another agency, does this allow Septa to bypass the bidding process and simply go with Bombardier? If so, it's a shame they went with CRRC instead of BBD MLV, the fleet would have been almost unified.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by rcthompson04 » Fri May 03, 2019 8:07 pm

ChemiosMurphy wrote:
mcgrath618 wrote:Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
Since this would be an option from another agency, does this allow Septa to bypass the bidding process and simply go with Bombardier? If so, it's a shame they went with CRRC instead of BBD MLV, the fleet would have been almost unified.
I think after the Silverliner V fiasco in 2016 it makes sense to have a good level of diversity in the fleet.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by mcgrath618 » Fri May 03, 2019 9:36 pm

ChemiosMurphy wrote:
mcgrath618 wrote:Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
Since this would be an option from another agency, does this allow Septa to bypass the bidding process and simply go with Bombardier? If so, it's a shame they went with CRRC instead of BBD MLV, the fleet would have been almost unified.
Correct. There will be no RFP from SEPTA.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by mcgrath618 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm

The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by JeffK » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:05 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm
The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.
Maybe they were concerned about confusion with the food store chain (even though that's where the company started)? :P

But seriously, it would be a great opportunity for co-branding. No need to rename a station (AT&T, wait, NRG, who knows what next) or worry about people wondering what the name represents. Show your Key card and get a buck off a hoagie!
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by mcgrath618 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:18 pm

JeffK wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:05 pm
mcgrath618 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm
The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.
Maybe they were concerned about confusion with the food store chain (even though that's where the company started)? :P

But seriously, it would be a great opportunity for co-branding. No need to rename a station (AT&T, wait, NRG, who knows what next) or worry about people wondering what the name represents. Show your Key card and get a buck off a hoagie!
It makes even more sense when you consider that there’s another station on the line named “Primos”

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by amtrakhogger » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm
The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf
Probably because "Wawa" is a trademarked name of the Wawa Corporation.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by mcgrath618 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:58 pm

amtrakhogger wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm
mcgrath618 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm
The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf
Probably because "Wawa" is a trademarked name of the Wawa Corporation.
And also the genuine name of a municipality in Media, PA, where this station would exist?

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by Quinn » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:30 pm

If they name the station Wawa from the start, they can't go asking for naming rights later. :wink: I wouldn't be surprised if it's eventually called "Wawa" and they make some coin for that.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by MACTRAXX » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:25 am

mcgrath618 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:58 pm
amtrakhogger wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm
mcgrath618 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm
The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf
Probably because "Wawa" is a trademarked name of the Wawa Corporation.
And also the genuine name of a municipality in Media, PA, where this station would exist?
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by ekt8750 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:00 am

Wawa also isn't a municipality. It's an unincorporated section of Middletown Twp.

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by mcgrath618 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:21 am

ekt8750 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:00 am
Wawa also isn't a municipality. It's an unincorporated section of Middletown Twp.
Pardon me, I was confusing Wawa, USA with Wawa, Canada :)

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Post by rcthompson04 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:36 am

mcgrath618 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:21 am
ekt8750 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:00 am
Wawa also isn't a municipality. It's an unincorporated section of Middletown Twp.
Pardon me, I was confusing Wawa, USA with Wawa, Canada :)
What is the next logical extension point past Middletown? Seeing SEPTA is taking a progression approach here, would the next stop on the way to West Chester if this works be where the line crosses under 926?

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