loufah wrote:In preparation for NPT, all buses and trolleys out of 69th Street are now "pay when enter" regardless of direction. Previously, the Victory Division buses and trolleys were "pay when furthest away from 69th Street". The new system is more consistent, but it means you can no longer get out of the elements and into an unoccupied bus or trolley when it arrives at its berth (typically 10 to 15 minutes before departure). They still pull up to the berth ahead of time, and the operators still alight and go into the station until just before departure time, but the vehicles are now kept locked and passengers can't enter until just before departure.Went into effect in early September. Every time I've ridden the NSHL since the change, there has been a "Sitter" at the front ensuring payment during the layover/operator change. I've seen some present for 15 minutes, but most times it is for 5-10 minutes. This is during the week, mostly peak/near peak times. For weekends and off-peak/late night, I assume there are no sitters and riders have to wait to board.
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I said "the elements", but I should clarify that the waiting areas at terminals at 69th Street are covered, so one is sheltered from precipitation, but not cold or wind or smoke. You can wait indoors, too, but that may be 100 or 200 feet away from your vehicle's berth.
loufah wrote:There are now (open) fare gates at all entrances to the NHSL platforms at 69th Street. Will there be gates at all NHSL stations?Just at 69th and Norristown.
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I am a little concerned that we may have a white elephant on our hands here with the new fare system...
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NFC is having a major obstacle to mainstream acceptance now, and if it does not catch on as SEPTA is banking it will, then the new fare system will be all but pointless.
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NFC is having a major obstacle to mainstream acceptance now, and if it does not catch on as SEPTA is banking it will, then the new fare system will be all but pointless.
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R3 Passenger wrote:I am a little concerned that we may have a white elephant on our hands here with the new fare system...NFC isn't going anywhere. Google Wallet + ApplePay will have such a commanding lead over other new payment media.
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NFC is having a major obstacle to mainstream acceptance now, and if it does not catch on as SEPTA is banking it will, then the new fare system will be all but pointless.
My only question is how will Septa incorporate NFC at the transit pass level. Android allows for other apps to use the NFC chips but Apple restricts NFC to ApplePay only, potentially derailing a Septa app. Should be interesting to see how Septa's NFC integration with mobile devices works.
ChemiosMurphy wrote:My only question is how will Septa incorporate NFC at the transit pass level. Android allows for other apps to use the NFC chips but Apple restricts NFC to ApplePay only, potentially derailing a Septa app. Should be interesting to see how Septa's NFC integration with mobile devices works.I can't speak for Apple Pay but with Google Wallet you can incorporate your cards into the Google Wallet app whether it be a virtual stored value card or a loyalty card. I'm, sure SEPTA could work with Google to make a virtual pass within the app.
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R3 Passenger wrote: NFC is having a major obstacle to mainstream acceptance nowApple Pay is encountering obstacles from retailers who don't like the Apple-enforced anonymity. They are not against NFC.
ChemiosMurphy wrote:ApplePay will work anywhere that NFC is accepted, it doesn't need to be ApplePay "approved", or anything. As far as third party apps not having access to NFC, that's currently true. However, Apple seems to like to keep their tech to themselves for a version and then it usually leaks out into third party apps. There was also a Macrumors.com article today saying that Apple is looking to work with building security and transit partners. SEPTA would be a great initial partner for them, given that NFC is close to being released.R3 Passenger wrote:I am a little concerned that we may have a white elephant on our hands here with the new fare system...NFC isn't going anywhere. Google Wallet + ApplePay will have such a commanding lead over other new payment media.
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NFC is having a major obstacle to mainstream acceptance now, and if it does not catch on as SEPTA is banking it will, then the new fare system will be all but pointless.
My only question is how will Septa incorporate NFC at the transit pass level. Android allows for other apps to use the NFC chips but Apple restricts NFC to ApplePay only, potentially derailing a Septa app. Should be interesting to see how Septa's NFC integration with mobile devices works.
I'm sure SEPTA will be getting in contact soon. Far as I see it. From the looks of it SEPTA , Chicago, and What's that railroad outside of L.a. And Njtransit will be first to get this ?.....I know NJTransit already accepts Google wallet at some locations. I guess this is all good timing.
loufah wrote:I said "the elements", but I should clarify that the waiting areas at terminals at 69th Street are covered, so one is sheltered from precipitation, but not cold or wind or smoke. You can wait indoors, too, but that may be 100 or 200 feet away from your vehicle's berth.True, not the same as being out on a street corner and you can wait inside, but... When taking the El at 9:00 PM and transferring to the NSHL, it was very nice to plop down in the car 12 minutes before departure rather then standing on the platform or sitting/standing indoors being at the mercy of the beggars.