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 #958497  by Amtrak7
 
Proposed fare hikes and toll hikes:

http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/press- ... ne_id=1401
To fund these major transportation and security projects, the Port Authority’s toll/fare proposal calls for:

Tolls for autos using E-ZPass on the Port Authority’s crossings to increase from $6 to $10 roundtrip for off-peak travel and from $8 to $12 in peak hours. An additional $2 increase during peak and off-peak hours will be implemented in 2014.

A cash toll surcharge of $3 to increase the cash rate from $8 to $15 in 2011 for the 25 percent of toll-payers who still use the optional cash system, similar to the MTA. The surcharge is expected to increase the E-ZPass market share to approximately 85 percent, which will reduce travel delays during the peak of traffic congestion by 10 to-20 minutes. The surcharge will increase by an additional $2 in 2014.

Truck tolls per axle using E-ZPass off-peak to increase from $7 to $13 roundtrip and peak from $8 to $14, with an additional $2 per-axle-increase in 2014 for both off-peak and peak hours. A similar cash surcharge of $3 per axle will be applied to trucks in 2011 that continue to use the optional cash system with an additional $2 per axle in 2014.

To further incentivize trucks to cross during the overnight period to reduce congestion during the day, there will be no toll increase on trucks that cross during the overnight discount period and the Port Authority will expand this overnight period an extra two hours each weekday night from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m (previously midnight to 6 a.m.). This will result in a 61 percent discount for a typical two-axle truck, which will continue to pay $11 overnight as compared to the $28 toll in 2011 for the same truck using E-ZPass during the peak period. Truck traffic results in the greatest wear and tear on the bridges and tunnels – a fully-loaded tractor trailer causes as much damage to roadway surfaces as 10,000 passenger cars.

Fully preserving the Staten Island Bridge “Discount Plan” for E-ZPass users, giving these frequent users a 50 percent toll discount on the peak E-ZPass toll. In addition, qualified energy efficient vehicles with GreenPasses will see no toll increase during off-peak hours in 2011, and the car-poolers discount rate is preserved in 2011 with a 50 percent discount off the E-ZPass peak hour rate. Both GreenPasses and car-poolers would see a $2 increase in 2014.

The base PATH fare would increase from $1.75 to $2.75 in 2011, with the average fare increasing to $2.10 from $1.30 given the steep 25 percent discount, which will be fully preserved. The 30-day unlimited pass will increase to $89 from $54.
PATH will now be more expensive than MTA.
 #958519  by michaelk
 
wow those increasess are big.

all for a handfill of one billion (+/-) dollar projects.

What would have the increase been if the ARC tunnel didn't get killed and they needed another 3 billion....
 #958883  by OportRailfan
 
FYI, its been stated elsewhere in this forum that the PA loses money on PATH and it is subsidized by the Port's other facilities.

In actuality, it really costs them double what the current fare is.
I imagine they're trying to make PATH more profitable/less of a loss?, if that makes sense.
 #959436  by Allan
 
michaelk wrote:wow those increasess are big.

all for a handfill of one billion (+/-) dollar projects.

What would have the increase been if the ARC tunnel didn't get killed and they needed another 3 billion....
The increase would have been (or will be) the same beacuse the ARC tunnel is NJ Transit not Port Authority of NY & NJ. The agenties are totally separate frome ach other.
 #959930  by OportRailfan
 
Allan wrote:
michaelk wrote:wow those increasess are big.

all for a handfill of one billion (+/-) dollar projects.

What would have the increase been if the ARC tunnel didn't get killed and they needed another 3 billion....
The increase would have been (or will be) the same beacuse the ARC tunnel is NJ Transit not Port Authority of NY & NJ. The agenties are totally separate frome ach other.
Unrelated to these fare increases I think, but the PANYNJ was going to chip in $3 Billion for the ARC tunnel, which got cancelled.
 #960190  by Allan
 
They were going to chip in $3 BILLION?

Where would they have gotten the money??? They probably didn't have it in the first place and would have found a way to back out of the deal had it gone through.
 #960224  by michaelk
 
Allan wrote:They were going to chip in $3 BILLION?

Where would they have gotten the money??? They probably didn't have it in the first place and would have found a way to back out of the deal had it gone through.

Yes 3 BILLION. Sure looks like they didn't have the money.

They couldn't have gone back. The 2 governors extort each other for such things. If NY wants money for ground zero, for JFK and LaGuardia airports, newburg airport, etc than they have to give money for things that NJ values like ARC, NJT buses, raising the Bayonne bridge, etc.

Either governor can veto capital items. So both have to "get something" for anything to get done.

Its how the whole PATH WTC deal originally went down.
 #970585  by Ken W2KB
 
Allan wrote:They were going to chip in $3 BILLION?

Where would they have gotten the money??? They probably didn't have it in the first place and would have found a way to back out of the deal had it gone through.
PANYNJ money comes primarily from bridge and tunnel tolls, and perhaps also from airport fees. The bridges and tunnels are substantial revenue generators.
 #970988  by Forest Glen
 
OportRailfan wrote:FYI, its been stated elsewhere in this forum that the PA loses money on PATH and it is subsidized by the Port's other facilities.

In actuality, it really costs them double what the current fare is.
I imagine they're trying to make PATH more profitable/less of a loss?, if that makes sense.
How does a tiny system like PATH lose money?
 #971108  by R36 Combine Coach
 
Ken W2KB wrote:
Allan wrote:They were going to chip in $3 BILLION?

Where would they have gotten the money??? They probably didn't have it in the first place and would have found a way to back out of the deal had it gone through.
PANYNJ money comes primarily from bridge and tunnel tolls, and perhaps also from airport fees. The bridges and tunnels are substantial revenue generators.
Also from port fees and real estate/air rights at the airports, bus terminals and WTC.
 #971188  by OportRailfan
 
Forest Glen wrote:
OportRailfan wrote:FYI, its been stated elsewhere in this forum that the PA loses money on PATH and it is subsidized by the Port's other facilities.

In actuality, it really costs them double what the current fare is.
I imagine they're trying to make PATH more profitable/less of a loss?, if that makes sense.
How does a tiny system like PATH lose money?
Simple: Cost of Operations exceed Passenger Fare Revenue.

Basically all the revenue from all facilities is pooled together. But if you look at the net income generated by each facility, the GWB is the best asset for the PANYNJ. I think it brings in like $1 million and change per day in profit.
 #984967  by 25Hz
 
PATH is tiny compared to a njtr or a lirr or nyct subway, but it is in bad shape physically, they just ordered a rolling stock fleet replacement order, expanded their main yard & reworked older segments, are implementing a new signal system, and a dozen or more other visible and "invisible" projects. The escalators for example do not magically service themselves. Even though i don't like it, i feel they should implement a fare that allows a tiny profit margin. Raise bridge & tunnel tolls as well, those aren't getting any younger either.