Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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I know that the R-32 cars run on the A/C/E line, but can anybody enlighten me as to what other cars normally run on these lines? thanks!

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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netrain wrote:I know that the R-32 cars run on the A/C/E line, but can anybody enlighten me as to what other cars normally run on these lines? thanks!

R46s (reassigned from the F) are on the A and some R44s (reassigned from the A) are on the C.

The E is 100% R160 at this point (as is the F). Most of the R32s are on the C. A few still can be found on the A.

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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thanks! :-)

along those same lines, does anybody know which cars make up the 4 /5 /6 lines? i would imagine R-60s and R-160s?

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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netrain wrote:thanks! :-)

along those same lines, does anybody know which cars make up the 4 /5 /6 lines? i would imagine R-60s and R-160s?
The 4 line is made up of R142 and some R142As. The 5 is 100% R142. The 6 is 100% R142A.

There aren't any R60 cars. The R62 and R62A cars are on the 1, 3 and 7 and 42 St Shuttle lines.

The R160 are for the lettered lines not the numbered lines.

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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Allan wrote:
netrain wrote:thanks! :-)

along those same lines, does anybody know which cars make up the 4 /5 /6 lines? i would imagine R-60s and R-160s?
The 4 line is made up of R142 and some R142As. The 5 is 100% R142. The 6 is 100% R142A.

There aren't any R60 cars. The R62 and R62A cars are on the 1, 3 and 7 and 42 St Shuttle lines.

The R160 are for the lettered lines not the numbered lines.
yep... do a little wiki research.... what you find might enlighted you a bit... as long as you can tell when stuff is false, which it is rarely on these particular pages...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_C ... ling_stock

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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To correct some of what's already been posted in this thread, while the E is 100% R-160's, the F is a mixture of R-160's and R-46's.

As to the main subject, the surviving R-44's are on both the A and the C - although not for long.

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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That's very helpful, the 142 and 142A, huh? please forgive my ignorance - i did some wiki research and can't seem to find the difference between the R-142 and the R-142A. can anybody assist?

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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netrain wrote:That's very helpful, the 142 and 142A, huh? please forgive my ignorance - i did some wiki research and can't seem to find the difference between the R-142 and the R-142A. can anybody assist?
I'm not so sure you were looking hard enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R142_(New_ ... ubway_car)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R142A_(New ... ubway_car)

In short, the R142 is manufactured by Bombardier while the R142A is manufactured by Kawasaki. Aside from different electrical, propulsion, and HVAC systems, the cars are essentially the same.

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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ahh, thanks.

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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Last time I rode the C, it was still using R32's, but that was two weeks ago.

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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chuchubob wrote:Last time I rode the C, it was still using R32's, but that was two weeks ago.
well, R32's aren't leaving the C until the R179's start arriving....

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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when do they expect R179s to arrive? i read somewhere that the R32s were going to stay at least 5 more years.

still learning about the particulars of the subway cars. it's my understanding that on the R44 cars there are midtrain cars and end cab cars. on the R32, R142, and R160 - are there end cab cars, A B married sets, or is each car the same? if so, what (if any) variance is there in appearance between those cars and the midtrain cars?

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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netrain wrote:when do they expect R179s to arrive? i read somewhere that the R32s were going to stay at least 5 more years.

still learning about the particulars of the subway cars. it's my understanding that on the R44 cars there are midtrain cars and end cab cars. on the R32, R142, and R160 - are there end cab cars, A B married sets, or is each car the same? if so, what (if any) variance is there in appearance between those cars and the midtrain cars?
Mid train cars?

The word you are looking for is B car.

It works like this, R32s are in catholic married pairs (termed becuase taking them apart is a lot of work).

The R44, R46 and the New technolgy trains (R142, R142A, R143, R160A-1, R160A-2, R160B, R179, R188, R211) have what are termed A cars and B cars. R44 and 46 are number evens=A, odds =B. 2-3-5-4 for a rough example. the new cars are numbered in order regaurdless of type

In all models, A cars are full powered with cabs on the outside (#1) end. each model from there differ slightly.

B cars are blind motors in all cases except the R142/As where they are have one power and one trailer truck and the R44SI (aka MEU-2) [R44 variation that works on the Staten Island Railway], in which one end of the B cars has hostler controls.

All active units are linked A-B-B-B-A, excpt the R44, R46, r143 and the r160A-1. these cars are linked A-B-B-A; The R143 and R160A-1 becuase these cars are set aside for the former BMT eastern division, the J,M,L and Z trains. Due to the shorter ptaform lengths, trains are limited to 480 feet long, instead off the normal 600 feet for BMT/IND. R44s and R46s are longer (75 feet to a car instead of 60), so it only takes 8 to make a 600' train. There was also a disproptinate order of R46 A cars. they are in A-A pairs and were used to make 6 car ABBA-AA trains for the G until 2001. there is also one r46 A-B pair, with the B car, like it's 44SI cousins, having a hostler.

due to the nature of the 7 line's 11 car trains, the up coming R188 will be split into 5 and 6 car units


The R68/A models were built as signle, self supporting units with a full cab at one end and a half cab at the other. the MTA had them coupled togther into 4 car units, but they are all identical.
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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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wow. your knowledge base on this is encyclopedic. very, very helpful - and thank you. so if i'm understanding you correctly, on the 4 / 5 / 6 line, as well as the A / C / E lines, the consist is typically 10 cars total? would that equal 600 ft?

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Re: Which cars run on the A C E lines?

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[quote="Kamen Rider"]R32s are in catholic married pairs...

with regard to the A / B cars on the r32, r142, and r160, i was trolling around the nycsubway.org site looking at diagrams and images - i cannot tell a physical difference between the cars, although it does look like the r142 has the A and B cars facing each other as opposed to front to back. is there a physical difference?

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