NYCTA Hopper Cars

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NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Statkowski » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:08 pm

Once upon a time, NYCTA hopper cars would be delivered to the New Haven Railroad via the old NYW&B connection at 174th St. in The Bronx. From Oak Point Yard they would be sent to New Haven Traprock for loading and return.

What were the reporting marks for these cars? "NYCTA" is five characters, and the maximum for reporting marks is four.

What was the history of these cars? They had to be narrow enough to fit on the IRT.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Kamen Rider » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:50 am

New York City Transit (NYCT) fits.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Statkowski » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:37 pm

It may fit, but I've not found it listed anywhere as a registered reporting mark.

Still wondering about the history of the cars.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Nova55 » Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:24 pm

Photos I have seen they have no reporting marks. Just NYCTA across the top with a number (ex R166) in the middle.

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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Statkowski » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:13 pm

That's how I remember seeing them. Must have been a special listing ("NYCX") or something - technically they would qualify as private cars.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Otto Vondrak » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:35 pm

Would they have used SBK reporting marks? South Brooklyn is the Subway's railroad connection and interchange partner with the outside world.

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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Nova55 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:53 pm

I doubt it..SBK had a roster of there own work stuff, and it wasn't permitted off there trackage. I wonder if they were simply moved under a gentleman's agreement.

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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Otto Vondrak » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:20 pm

There is an AAR reporting mark "MTA" for Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York), but I could find no reporting marks assigned to New York City Transit, the Transit Authority, or NYCTA...
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:24 am

RRPictureArchives.net lists "MTA" as the reporting mark for New York City Transit.
Since my friend continues to chain smoke nonstop, she is probably an Alco.

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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Statkowski » Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:27 am

"MTA" may indeed be a valid reporting mark, but it didn't exist at the time these cars were moved.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:25 pm

The MTA was established in 1965 to overseen the LIRR but did not take over the NYCTA until 1968.
Since my friend continues to chain smoke nonstop, she is probably an Alco.

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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Noel Weaver » Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:27 am

Well for sure it could not be NYC because of the New York Central. Maybe NYT but I can't recall for sure. I would be willing
to bet that there are pictures of these hopper cars in a book someplace. Incidentally they went to Reeds Gap for stone so
they only ran on the New Haven Railroad and I don't think they went any other place. I do not recall ever seeing them
anywhere outside of the above territory.
I am positive that the operation through Oak Point predates the MTA.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by Statkowski » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:03 pm

Knowing the New Haven, and since these cars moved only on the New Haven, there was probably some sort of "gentleman's agreement" covering the move. Thus, the lack of official reporting marks was not considered the end of the world.
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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by JOEC » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:51 pm

i recall as far back as the late 1950's,early 1960's, NYCTA across the body and a car number on the lower body. i have a black & white photo taken in 1971 of the cars at 180 street viaduct. if i find anything of value i'll let you know.

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Re: NYCTA Hopper Cars

Post by JOEC » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:43 pm

the hopper cars were interchanged with a common carrier-NEW HAVEN/ PENN CENTRAL they had to be FRA complient to do so. in addition to the NYCTA letters and car number, they also had federal data on the bodies. hope this clarifies your question.

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