Least safe stations

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Least safe stations

Post by rhodiecub2 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:32 am

In your opinion, what are the least safe PATH stations particularly late at night?
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Re: Least safe stations

Post by arrow » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:11 am

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by Terry Kennedy » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:01 pm

arrow wrote:Journal Square
Just wondering why you say that. I don't have any crime numbers, but I'd suspect that it would be some other station - JSQ overnight will often have a HOB/33RD train waiting on the platform and there are usually a bunch of PATH employees on the mezzanine level (south of the deli is their break room). I've used this station on a fairly regular basis during the overnight hours (1 AM - 5 AM).

If you're comparing the neighborhoods outside of the actual station, that might be different than the station areas.

If I had to guess (and it is only a guess - I haven't been there in ages) I'd guess Harrison. It is pretty empty, and I think the NWK-bound platform doesn't use fare control. All of the midtown stations have reasonably large crowds during the overnight; Hoboken somewhat less; the WTC station has lots of security people making sure nobody steals the tracks or something as well as a break room that usually has somebody around. Of course, if there really isn't anybody around in Harrison, there isn't any crime, either.

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by arrow » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:30 pm

I was saying that thinking about the neighborhoods around each station.

I agree with you though, there are always PATH employees around at JSQ so that helps.
I also agree that Harrison is a desolate area that I would not want to be around at night. Oh, and the Newark-bound platform has turnstiles now.

Probably the best stations at night in NJ would be Exchange Place, Hoboken, and Pavonia/Newport.
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Re: Least safe stations

Post by ascotell » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:15 pm

I have been/lived in harrison for several years now. It is very safe there at nigh/early morning. There is no issue just one woman bum sleeping that always asks for change.

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Post by Otto Vondrak » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:41 am

rhodiecub2 wrote:In your opinion, what are the least safe PATH stations particularly late at night?
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Re: Least safe stations

Post by sullivan1985 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:44 am

rhodiecub2 wrote:In your opinion, what are the least safe PATH stations particularly late at night?
Whats unsafe to you could be a cakewalk to others. I've walked around in North Newark at 3AM for photography. Some would say I'm crazy.

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by Tom V » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:01 am

The Port Authority Police does an excellent job, I know a few guys with the PAPD. It's a general understanding amongst any of the PAPD Officers/Detectives I've spoken to over the years that the roughest assignment is the Port Authority Bus terminal, followed by Journal Square. The coziest has to be the Bayonne bridge.

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Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:02 pm

JSQ does have so many employees, and I'm sure, there is a big police presence, during late night hours. I believe the JC's worst neighborhoods are to the south of downtown, so they aren't too far from JSQ.

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by lostsoul » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:36 am

I been in all the stations and there all very safe

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by acs85 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:12 pm

I agree with lostsoul. I work a few blocks north of JSQ on Kennedy Blvd, & I'm sometimes there late at night. It's reasonably safe, albeit a bit gritty. Like a lot of areas, so long as you're on the main streets & in well-lit areas, you'll be fine. & the PAPD always seems to be @ JSQ, so I imagine it's pretty rare that something dangerous happens there....

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by bellstbarn » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:00 pm

I am amazed that it is now about forty years since PATH has had no agents (change agents, token agents, ticket agents) at the stations. Over the years, I have never had to use the intercom, nor do I recall a loud speaker yelling at someone for bad conduct. I know one instance when a railfan briefly took a few photos at eastbound Newark and was quickly accosted by an officer who said he had been spotted by a closed-circuit television monitored at Journal Square.
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How reliable are the phones at the turnstiles if you have a problem or a question?
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Are there any stats about crime inside the fare control area, platform, etc.? Having a agent in a booth is a debated topic on the New York TA subways, that is, whether the agents are helpful or not.
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It is about the same period of 40 years that PATCO has not had station agents.

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:52 pm

Just AVOID the Greenville Section, which is nowhere near JSQ.

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by TREnecNYP » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:47 pm

The stations along the 33rd line are creepy.

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Re: Least safe stations

Post by StevieC48 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:40 pm

Would the PAPD have a crime report that breaks down the high crime areas? I would look on their website since it is public info.
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