Why did they move the R160's from J/Z to M?

[abenm613]

The eight-car sets of R160 (the 83##-84## series) were initially put on the J/Z and L lines. On the L, they replaced all the remaining R42 (which were staying there for a while due to an increased ridership). On the J/Z, they primarily served part-time az Z trains. They are still running on the L (along with R143, which are still the majority). However, a few months ago, the R160's were moved from J/Z to M. Why? It doesn't make much of a personal difference to me. But I would still like to know why this happened.

[jtrain22]

The reason why the 160s were put on the M line and taken off the J/Z lines, Is because the J/Z stations don't have CCTVs which are C/R monitors. The MTA doesn't want to get sued because somebody got cought in the doors. Once those CCTVs get put up you will start seeing R160s on the J and Z lines.

[abenm613]

You mean the CCTV is installed at all stations along the Myrtle Ave, as well as the West End line, but not at stations along the Jamaica line east of Myrtle/Broadway? But the four stations along [the Brooklyn] Broadway (Kosciuszko, Gates, Halsey, and Chauncey), as well as Broadway Junction, have been recently rehabbed, so it's likely that they do have CCTV. But, right, there are still a lot of unrehabbed station on the Jamaica line east of Broadway Junction, that's why even when R160's were running on that line they used to be the Z's (rather than the J's) and often terminated at Broadway Junction.

[Kamen Rider]

You mean the CCTV is installed at all stations along the Myrtle Ave, as well as the West End line, but not at stations along the Jamaica line east of Myrtle/Broadway? But the four stations along [the Brooklyn] Broadway (Kosciuszko, Gates, Halsey, and Chauncey), as well as Broadway Junction, have been recently rehabbed, so it's likely that they do have CCTV. But, right, there are still a lot of unrehabbed station on the Jamaica line east of Broadway Junction, that's why even when R160's were running on that line they used to be the Z's (rather than the J's) and often terminated at Broadway Junction.

CCTV is only needed at stations where the platform is so curved that the C/R would be unable to see the doors corectly otherwise. the R160s on the M only reach stations that need CCTV in the rush, and thats only one stop on the west end and Fulton street. during the Rush, the TA can send out platform conductors, but it would be difficult and expesnve to have them at all hours at the J stops the need CCTV, so the J didn't get the R160s.

[nikon01]

Why do the R160's need CCTVs on the platforms while (I assume) the older trains don't?

[Kamen Rider]

Why do the R160's need CCTVs on the platforms while (I assume) the older trains don't?

alot of these stations already have CCTV, but the conductor on an 8 car train of R42s doesn't ride in the center. they ride 3/4 south and 5/6 north, so the CCTV screens were put where the conductor would be. on the 160s they are always in the center. the new CCTV screens needed to be placed to where the 4 & 5 cars come to a stop in an 8 car consist, which untill the r160s came, would have been two #1 cabs with no C/R controls.

[keithsy]

It goes to show you that MTA-NYCT caters to the least common denominator. For years, until the 80's conductors operated on curved platforms w/out CCTV, now because people are careless, this agency has to make allowances for them. If I had a say in it, all of that would be dismantled, along with the Diekman Blue Book. Less talk, less PC=more and faster trains.

[Kamen Rider]

In the long run maintaing the CCTV might be cheaper than the liablity insurnce payments they would need if it wasn't there. It could also be said to be making the conductor's job a little easier.