Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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I saw this article arguing against selecting CRRC for the 8K contract. CRRC probably will submit a bid, and they are known to undercut their competitors when it comes to price, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/ ... -risk.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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CRRC will be barred from bidding, Senate critters have a bill barring CRRC from bidding on transit/commuter car contracts.
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Could a Chinese-made Metro car spy on us?

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The 8000 series cars will likely be manufactured by a Chinese company and US officials are worried that they could spy on us.

Metro recently decided to add cybersecurity safeguards to specifications for a contract it will award later this year for its next-generation rail cars following warnings that China’s state-owned rail car manufacturer could win the deal by undercutting other bidders.

No U.S. company makes subway cars, so China competes in that market against companies from Asia, Europe and Canada

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... aaf2e3c246" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Could a Chinese-made Metro car spy on us?

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The first few would be made in China, but the company would require to open up a shop here in the US. If they're spying on us, it's because WMATA would design the car with cameras, and China slipped in a board to archive the video (ultra-compressed) and dribble it out through Wifi and maybe LTE.

Would it be worth doing? Not really. China wants technology, intellectual property, stuff it can rip off and make knock-offs of. Train cars aren't full of such secrets; they're full of people dealing with politics. They're more likely to spy on BART, VTA, MTA Maryland, and maybe NYC MTA than WMATA.
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Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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Mod Note: merged in some older posts from the 8000-series thread because it looks like this topic has legs on its own.

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Not sure who’s running this campaign, but this week I’ve seen (paid) petition gatherers at both Cap South and Foggy Bottom using the hashtag #savethemetro. Seems to be aimed at pressuring USDOT, Congress, and WMATA not to buy CRRC products specifically because of their putative listening device. It smells to me more like a marketing effort by Alstom, Siemens, BBD, Stadler, and other specifically-European railcar manufacturers. Maybe Mitsubishi and Hitachi are in on it too, and maybe American freight rolling stock builders.

So far I haven’t found any web presence and only one or two Twitter posts on the subject, other than the original Business Journal and Washington Post articles cited above. What has everyone else seen?

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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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A China-made railcar ban could cost Metro tens of millions

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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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Washington post has joined the "forced adware" crowd of newspapers,basicly paywalled now :( :( :P
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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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Backshophoss wrote:Washington post has joined the "forced adware" crowd of newspapers,basicly paywalled now :( :( :P
You just need a Chinese railcar and you could get right around that little paywall :P

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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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"Backshophoss"
Washington post has joined the "forced adware" crowd of newspapers,basicly paywalled now :( :( :P


The way I get around the Posts pay wall is by opening the article incognito and or private window and click the stop loading icon immediately after the text of the article has rendered.
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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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Israel looking to the Chinese for explosion resistant Light Rail cars

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Feds may block WMATA from buying Chinese railcars & buses

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D.C. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton says federal funds won’t be allowed to be spent on railcars and buses manufactured by Chinese state-owned companies. It’s the latest in efforts to block the possible purchase of Metro cars made in China.

Norton says a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act would block Metro — and any other transit agency — from buying cheaper Chinese railcars. The House is expected to vote on the fiscal year 2020 bill later this week.

https://wamu.org/story/19/12/11/a-congr ... -railcars/

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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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CRRC has been banned from bidding on any projects with the WMATA. However, they can bid on projects with other systems.
https://neal.house.gov/in-the-news/crrc ... ar-company
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Re: Lobby against Chinese-made WMATA cars

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Moderator Note: let’s direct future conversation to the WMATA 8000 Series thread, it has been pretty much parallel. If CRRC makes noises about bidding on other DMV-area transit contracts, let a mod know and we will reopen the thread.

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