WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Chris Brown wrote:Looks like I was right about the USB ports.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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"Chris Brown"
Looks like I was right about the USB ports.

To those who argued with me.. what do you have to say now?


I see no logical reason to have them at all. You are not going to get a full charge like you would get if you charged your device overnight. They will likely end up being a low priority maintenance item when cars are needed to make up trains to fill the daily time sheet.

Seems silly to plan the order based on today's ridership though. There is nothing more stupid than believing today's situation will last forever. Especially with all the growth in the DMV.

That why I prefaced my post with "I find this somewhat puzzling."

You all know my thought on the subject of fleet size.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Chris Brown wrote:Looks like I was right about the USB ports.

To those who argued with me.. what do you have to say now?

Seems silly to plan the order based on today's ridership though. There is nothing more stupid than believing today's situation will last forever. Especially with all the growth in the DMV.
No, you were not "right". You expressed your opinion in favor of them. Many people expressed their opinion not in favor of them. Just because metro elected to install them does not mean your opinion or mine was right or wrong, because they're opinions. My opinion is still that they're stupid, and for all the same reasons I have already expressed and will not be retyping for you. Your opinion is still that they're not stupid, and you're entitled to that opinion too.

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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No need to argue. It doesn’t matter who guessed right, does it?

Besides, they’ll be stuffed with chewing gum soon enough.

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Today, September 4, 2018, Metro officially announced that it was beginning its procurement of 8000-series railcars. I received a 'sneak preview' of the announcement with this URL via my membership in the "Amplify" community.

https://www.wmata.com/about/news/8000-s ... rement.cfm
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki

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https://potomaclocal.com/2018/09/04/met ... rail-cars/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The 8000 series will replace the 2000/3000 series cars which are 35 years old. They were rebuilt about 15 years ago.
Metro does not need until they are 40 years old to retire them, the mistake they did the 1000 series which should have retired many years sooner.

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KTHW wrote:Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki
Kawsaki may not be making the 7000 series. It depends who Metro awards the contract too.

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Man i'm going to miss the 6Ks if they go away

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Question: If WMATA wants to ditch the 6ks early, would they have to prove to the FTA that it would be cheaper to buy news cars instead of rehabbing old ones?
KTHW wrote:Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki
I don't see any production work on 8000s being done until the early 2020s, so even with the current 7k problems, that probably wouldn't happen (and we don't know if Kawasaki will even get the contract).

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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D40LF wrote:Question: If WMATA wants to ditch the 6ks early, would they have to prove to the FTA that it would be cheaper to buy news cars instead of rehabbing old ones?
KTHW wrote:Is it possible the 8k series will begin production before or as 7k series finishes because of current mechanical/parts shortage issues? I would think it could be an easy transition for kawasaki
I don't see any production work on 8000s being done until the early 2020s, so even with the current 7k problems, that probably wouldn't happen (and we don't know if Kawasaki will even get the contract).
I doubt Metro will retire the 6000 series early as they are good reliable cars. Metro to rehab them when they reach mid-life just the way they did with the 2000/3000 series

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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WMATA would need to prove the 6000s are a) impractical to overhaul due to lack of potential suppliers b) inherently unsafe like the 1000s c) obsolete d) equally or less cost-effective to rebuild than to buy new. I bet they could find a way to prove one of those points if they wanted, but no matter their proofs, the FTA might overrule them & make them invest in the physical plant instead.

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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This article about the 8000 series cars says

Options in the contract would allow Metro to purchase “up to” 800 cars in all, giving the transit agency the flexibility to support a range of initiatives and scenarios, including expanding all trains to the maximum 8-car length, running trains more frequently during rush hours, and retiring the 6000-series fleet in lieu of a midlife overhaul program.

So, Metro may consider a early retirement of the 6000 series as well. Whatever, Metro decides we'll have the 7000 and 8000 series cars in service for the next 40 years.

https://www.popville.com/2018/09/meet-t ... o-railcar/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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How are the 7K and 8K cars improved over the "reliable" 6K model. Other than aesthetics.

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frequentflyer wrote:How are the 7K and 8K cars improved over the "reliable" 6K model. Other than aesthetics.
New is always better; ask any car salesman.

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