Sunnyside Hump

[Teutobergerwald]

Can anyone elaborate on the hump in Sunnyside? I know there is a picture there in Scala's "Diesels of the Sunrise Trail" showing an SW-1001 working it. The history, configuration, when it ceased to be used, what became of it, etc? Any pictures you care to share, too. Thanks in advance.

[nyandw]

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Let's pinpoint the location: It's just south of the ex-Roto-Broil building (around 33rd St and Northern Blvd.) Here's a larger map from 1946 PRR map: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/licity/licmap4v2.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LIRR #101 approaching the Yard A hump, view is W, 1977. Note the flat reacher car behind the motive power.

[4behind2]

The hump was bulldozed before the East Side Access Project, and as you can see in the picture, was just to the north of the Sunnyside Engine House.

Late 1980's was the last time the hump was used, and Yard A was flat switched on the east end (and the track was bad) or used the Montauk Cut-Off on the west end as an incline to sort and kick cars cars.

[jhdeasy]

LIRR #101 approaching the Yard A hump, view is W, 1977. Note the flat reacher car behind the motive power.

Interesting to note that the signal visible in the photo is a tri-light tricolor signal, rather than a PRR style position light signal.

[nyandw]

Here's a 1974 similar view of the hump and that tri-color signal Richard Maske Collection/Photo
Bonus: Turntable and GG-1 far left at the PRR Engine Sunnyside Facility

and a 1954 View E towards the Yard A hump and the PRR Engine Repair Facility with GG-1s in attendance

[nyandw]

The hump was bulldozed before the East Side Access Project, and as you can see in the picture, was just to the north of the Sunnyside Engine House.

Late 1980's was the last time the hump was used, and Yard A was flat switched on the east end (and the track was bad) or used the Montauk Cut-Off on the west end as an incline to sort and kick cars cars.

Yard A Removal: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/licity/licity2.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Years 1999-2010

[ExCon90]

LIRR #101 approaching the Yard A hump, view is W, 1977. Note the flat reacher car behind the motive power.

Interesting to note that the signal visible in the photo is a tri-light tricolor signal, rather than a PRR style position light signal.

Would that have been a humping signal?

[nyandw]

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Would that have been a humping signal?

Yes and noted on this Emery 5-1959 map as #1: Yard A hump Signal The one pictured in the previous photo posted east of the hump and this one on the hump:

[nyandw]

How did this hump tri-color signaling coordinate the hump switcher movements?

[ExCon90]

Don't know about this specific hump, but a typical arrangement would be Green: shove at normal humping speed; Yellow: shove at slower than normal speed; Red: stop shoving. Both signals would normally display the same indication, the farther one needed when shoving a long cut, with the engineer out of sight of the one at the hump. The signals would be controlled by the hump conductor from a fixed position where he could see the action -- often a tower in large yards.

[nyandw]

Don't know about this specific hump, but a typical arrangement would be Green: shove at normal humping speed; Yellow: shove at slower than normal speed; Red: stop shoving. Both signals would normally display the same indication, the farther one needed when shoving a long cut, with the engineer out of sight of the one at the hump. The signals would be controlled by the hump conductor from a fixed position where he could see the action -- often a tower in large yards.

Thank you. I had received word that it is perhaps: :...I've read it was green to shove over hump, yellow to stop, red to
reverse..."

[DogBert]

Not sure where that signal was controlled from, but there was a small shed type building just next to honeywell ave bridge with a decent view of both the hump and yard. Would this have been where it was controlled?

[ExCon90]

I had received word that it is perhaps: :...I've read it was green to shove over hump, yellow to stop, red to
reverse..."

That actually seems more likely.

[ExCon90]

Not sure where that signal was controlled from, but there was a small shed type building just next to honeywell ave bridge with a decent view of both the hump and yard. Would this have been where it was controlled?

I'm not familiar with the location, but it would be a likely place, particularly in the absence of a North Platte-style ivory tower.

[nyandw]

Not sure where that signal was controlled from, but there was a small shed type building just next to honeywell ave bridge with a decent view of both the hump and yard. Would this have been where it was controlled?

Dogbert is indicating Emery location #2: Switchman's Cabin near Honeywell Ave and just west of Emery #6----#6 Telltales