Is anyone here familiar with the makes and models of all of the horns used on LIRR modern generation electric MU cars? I'm curious to know what horns were used on the M-1's, M-3's, M-7's and M-9's. They all sound different; some better than others. My favorite was the M-3's when they were newer and sounded good. I've always thought the M-7's sounded crappy, even when new, before the muffling devices were installed.
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M1 & M3 had/have Leslie type S horns. M1 was a single note, M3 is a dual note.
Does this help? http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrho ... rhorns.htm
Thanks guys. That page in the link says that M-3's and M-7's have the same model horns. That's hard to believe since they never sounded alike, even before the M-7's had the muffling devices installed. Is it possible for the same horns to sound different on different model cars?
Head-end View wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:51 pm Thanks guys. That page in the link says that M-3's and M-7's have the same model horns. That's hard to believe since they never sounded alike, even before the M-7's had the muffling devices installed. Is it possible for the same horns to sound different on different model cars?Absolutely! It all depends on the diameter of the air line feeding the horn, and the type of valve connected. And electric solenoid valve (M3) is going to produce a different sound than a manual metering valve (M7, M9).
The M9s use a Nathan K2H model horn, bells 2 and 3B.
M-3 does not have a solenoid it has Brass Wabco air button
M-7 and M-9 have standard Wabco Horn valve
all 3 can be feathered.
M-7 and M-9 have standard Wabco Horn valve
all 3 can be feathered.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???
Retired Triebfahrzeugführer. I am not a moderator.
Retired Triebfahrzeugführer. I am not a moderator.
Dutch, what is the difference between that air button and a horn valve?
The button is simply that. A button on the console. It IS an air valve in rudimentary form. The horn valve is a lever operated valve. Pull towards the engineer to sound the horn, like mostly every other locomotive.
Not MU, but if I remember right, the original DE/DM configuration was a button on the console that operated a solenoid valve. It couldnt be feathered, full blast. It was modified to a conventional lever type horn valve (along with relocating/replacing the horns)
Not MU, but if I remember right, the original DE/DM configuration was a button on the console that operated a solenoid valve. It couldnt be feathered, full blast. It was modified to a conventional lever type horn valve (along with relocating/replacing the horns)
Yeah, I remember that scandal re: the DE/DM horns. Standing at Mineola Station and hearing the full-volume pre-programmed grade-crossing sequence was a real experience. As I recall those changes were made in response to public pressure.
DutchRailnut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:44 am M-3 does not have a solenoid it has Brass Wabco air buttonWhat about the C-3 cab cars, are they Leslie S...something? ...S3?
M-7 and M-9 have standard Wabco Horn valve
all 3 can be feathered.
My horn page: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrho ... rhorns.htm
LIRR #508 4/2008 Photo: Mike McDermet
Please feel free to help.!
LIRR #508 4/2008 Photo: Mike McDermet
Please feel free to help.!
The C-3 cabs were delivered with the same Leslie RS2M two chimes that the M-3s and M-7s have, which sound(ed) differently from one another for a variety of reasons. The Leslies didn't last long after delivery, and eventually were replaced with the equally unpleasant sounding Nathan K13B two chimes of today.
