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 #1269480  by qboy
 
I didn't think the name CP College would last all the long. Thought they would used CP Chase, but CP University works too! I yet to run through them, but I'm sure the day will come soon enough for me!
 #1269792  by doepack
 
CP University does sound better... but it would be nice if Omaha would just settle on one name in the beginning without changing it (twice in this case).

Per a dispatcher's comment overheard on my radio a few days ago: "They'll probably change it again next week"...
 #1284015  by HammerJack
 
It is nice to see three main tracks all the way from 25th Ave. to West Chicago, but between 25th Ave. to Vale, there are still only two main tracks. Any idea if and when this section of the line will get upgraded to three? Right now it is still a bit of a bottleneck, so it would be nice to get three main tracks all the way from Chicago to West Chicago (Kress I think). Also, are there plans to upgrade the section of the line in Geneva (Kress to Peck?) to three main tracks? I don't really know if this would increase capacity a whole lot, but i was just wondering.
 #1284108  by qboy
 
Both IDOT and UP agreed to share the cost of around 90 million. (Personally the seems a little on the low side for the cost.) That will close both gaps it was in the papers a couple of weeks back. No starts date, but some preliminary work was done few yrs back for testing of the bridge supports over the Des Plaines River and Fox River which more or less passed. But my guess it will be sometime next yr or 2016 before work may even start on 3rd main gaps between Kedzie and Elburn.
 #1284437  by doepack
 
HammerJack wrote:It is nice to see three main tracks all the way from 25th Ave. to West Chicago, but between 25th Ave. to Vale, there are still only two main tracks. Any idea if and when this section of the line will get upgraded to three? Right now it is still a bit of a bottleneck, so it would be nice to get three main tracks all the way from Chicago to West Chicago (Kress I think). Also, are there plans to upgrade the section of the line in Geneva (Kress to Peck?) to three main tracks? I don't really know if this would increase capacity a whole lot, but i was just wondering.
IMO, the single biggest obstacle to adding capacity on the Geneva sub is JB Tower in West Chicago. Acquired by CN five years ago after their purchase of the EJ&E, it's where their single track north-south main (Leithton sub) crosses the triple-tracked Geneva sub at grade. In the few years before being merged into CN, the "J" ran about 10 trains per day or so (a figure not reached often, 7 to 8 was more the average), but now that's effectively more than doubled to 20-24 trains with CN using this route as its main link between the Waukesha sub to the north and its important Joliet and/or Markham yards to the south. With freight increasing on the UP side as well, you now have upwards of something like 110 trains per day from both carriers plus Metra all vying for a slot through this bottleneck, give or take a few UP freights on the Geneva sub as coal, ethanol, or frac sand traffic ebbs and flows. Even with the reduced Metra schedule on weekends, that's still about 80 trains. This is where any extra capacity meets a black hole.

I'm not sure if CN eventually plans to close this tower and grade separate the crossing (haven't heard anything official), but until that happens, even when UP adds the third main to the two existing gaps, it will have only a negligible effect on capacity at best. Metra has stated that they'd like to add trains to this route, and beef up the service to perhaps approach BNSF levels. I think, even in a perfect world that's ambitious, but despite the recent upgrades to the physical plant (not a bad place to start), given the current remaining challenges, that's still a long way off right now. How long is very much open to debate...

For more reading...
 #1288261  by doepack
 
CREATE Project GS25 update: As of 8/12/14, the grade crossing at Roosevelt Road is closed, and traffic has been shifted to the new overpass that carries traffic over the UP. A major improvement, and a long time coming, and also marks the second grade crossing closed in the past year on UP-W (Chase St. in Wheaton was closed just before the new control point came online).

No more getting stuck waiting for those slow, West Chicago bound coal trains to clear Roosevelt Road, which would at times make me late for work...
 #1311737  by Zanperk
 
The work to add an additional level to the parking deck in Geneva is finishing up.

These added spots will replace parking spaces on the south side of the tracks that will be lost when the third track is laid through the Geneva station.
 #1381405  by doepack
 
Construction of a third track within the two gaps along the Geneva sub in Metra suburban territory could finally be starting soon...
 #1428959  by doepack
 
At long last, work has started to add a third track to the remaining two track segments along UP-W. First up: Construction of a third main from River Forest to Melrose Park, between control points CPY010 (Vale) and CPY011 (25th Ave.)...
 #1429007  by qboy
 
About year later than when it was supposed to start construction. Actually some preliminary work has been going on for bit. This first segment was originally apart of the 3rd track from Park to 25th Ave. But Metra was having fund issues on their part of the project. So the 3rd track ended right where it currently ends.
 #1429526  by MACTRAXX
 
Everyone:

I was looking at Google Earth at the UP West Line between Elburn and DeKalb remembering that
there was mention of extended service to serve DeKalb - with the significant student population
of Northern Illinois University - being a base for ridership.

Does anyone have an exact distance between Elburn and DeKalb using a UP or C&NW ETT?
From studying a map this looks to be around 15 miles.

From what I noticed there could be three new stations on this route: Two new stations in DeKalb
with one serving the town center and a terminal adjacent to the south end of the NIU Campus.

An intermediate station at either Cortland or Maple Park would offer service to Kane County
exurban areas and from southern McHenry and northern Kendall County areas along with Elburn.

Since DeKalb County is not a part of the METRA service area could some County subsidy or grant
in lieu of a transport tax be provided to subsidize this service? Could NIU itself provide anything
towards this service? Students would more then likely be a key portion of new ridership and this
could even encourage daily rail commuting to NIU making this service extension more prudent...

Would UP work with METRA and local governments to allow any extension of service?

MACTRAXX
 #1429580  by doepack
 
This topic came up a while back during a more generic conversation about westward extensions of certain Metra lines, with potential DeKalb service on UP/W included. For more details...
 #1429612  by Anthony
 
MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone:

I was looking at Google Earth at the UP West Line between Elburn and DeKalb remembering that
there was mention of extended service to serve DeKalb - with the significant student population
of Northern Illinois University - being a base for ridership.

Does anyone have an exact distance between Elburn and DeKalb using a UP or C&NW ETT?
From studying a map this looks to be around 15 miles.

From what I noticed there could be three new stations on this route: Two new stations in DeKalb
with one serving the town center and a terminal adjacent to the south end of the NIU Campus.

An intermediate station at either Cortland or Maple Park would offer service to Kane County
exurban areas and from southern McHenry and northern Kendall County areas along with Elburn.

Since DeKalb County is not a part of the METRA service area could some County subsidy or grant
in lieu of a transport tax be provided to subsidize this service? Could NIU itself provide anything
towards this service? Students would more then likely be a key portion of new ridership and this
could even encourage daily rail commuting to NIU making this service extension more prudent...

Would UP work with METRA and local governments to allow any extension of service?

MACTRAXX
UP has said that the third track that will be built through Geneva as part of this project is one of their capital improvement requirements before they would even consider allowing any service extension to DeKalb, so this project is good news for the potential service extension. That being said, however, there are still a lot of hurdles to overcome before service to Dekalb becomes a reality. First, like you said, Dekalb county is not part of the RTA service area, so the county would either have to create their own RTA or join the Chicago RTA. Both options would require a referendum to pass to make them happen. In addition, UP would also likely require further capacity upgrades between Elburn and Dekalb, such as a new third main between those cities, which would be very expensive. These are the two biggest hurdles to overcome before METRA can serve DeKalb.
 #1524798  by doepack
 
After months of construction, UP is now about to flip the switch on a new third main track between River Forest and Melrose Park. At first glance, it looks like CPY010 (Vale) had one crossover removed, and two newer ones installed. On the west end at CPY011 (25th Ave.), along with new or upgraded universal crossovers, track 3 was extended eastward towards the general area where construction for "new" track 1 began, where it aligned with what was "old" track 2.

Saw plenty of signal maintainers testing the grade crossings in Maywood as we crept through, while the temporary outbound platform at Melrose Park has been moved to the side to serve new track 3. Didn't see any signs of construction for a permanent platform here yet. Ballast and other related MOW work continues, especially on track 3, and it also appeared there was single tracking in effect from CPY011 to Kedzie. Which turned out to be the main culprit that caused my outbound train 501 to take a 30 minute hit at CPY903 as an eastbound freight slid over onto the Rockwell sub, but these delays were expected given the circumstances. Word has it that all three tracks should be open by Monday.

I don't think too many folks were inconvenienced by the construction related weekend closure of the Maywood depot.

Next up: Construction of a third track to fill in the last two track segment in West Chicago and Geneva. Not sure when it's gonna start, but will likely last well into next year, and perhaps into early 2021...
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