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Discussion of Electro-Motive locomotive products and technology, past and present. Official web site can be found here: http://www.emdiesels.com/.

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 #237710  by Phil Hom
 
Electro-Motive celebrates

It's been one year since the Oxford Street plant changed owners from GM to Greenbriar.

By NORMAN DE BONO, FREE PRESS BUSINESS REPORTER

One year and a new owner has made all the difference at London's Electro-Motive Diesel plant.

The Oxford Street industrial plant, which suffered years of volatile swings in production and number of employees, appears to have found stability and growth with Greenbriar Equity Group.

It was one year ago this month the $500-million US deal closed that saw the manufacturer sold by GM to Greenbriar and in that time the plant has hired 300 more hourly workers, cut its white-collar workforce by about 10 per cent and filled the order board with demand for about 400 locomotives, said Keith Berry, chairperson of Local 27, representing locomotive workers.

"It has been a very busy year and we have seen a lot of investment in the plant," said Berry. "We are now at 900 workers. That is the most we have had here in years."

But the good news for hourly employees has been balanced by cuts in its salaried totals. About 25 positions have been eliminated, added Berry.

"There is definitely a difference in how Greenbriar does business. Greenbriar is lean and mean and GM was very heavy in salaried staff."

A celebration will be held at the plant today, and officials from Greenbriar will be on site for the festivities. Electro-Motive officials yesterday declined comment on the anniversary.

"It is excellent here now," said Berry. "With GM, there were always ups and downs. The difference now is if you do not produce they will cut you."

David Johnson, an analyst with Sanford Bernstein in New York, said it is simply a matter of a smaller firm focusing on the business, while GM was more concerned with its automotive operations.

"GM was in need of capital to put into its core automotive business and capital was not made available to (Electro-Motive)," he said.

Johnson was not surprised by the cut in the white-collar workforce saying "slow- moving bureaucracy" has been cited as an ongoing problem at GM. "Small divisions generally outperform the corporate parent. They have more focus and have shorter, faster decision-making cycles."

Berry agreed, adding it is a difference one can see on the shop floor.

"They are very aggressive in how they pursue sales and market themselves," Berry said.

"We are chasing leads where GM took a less active role. They have a different philosophy. When they tell you to do it right the first time, they mean it. They are trying hard to cut out rework which cuts into profit margins."

 #238181  by trainiac
 
Interesting stuff! And so much for the guesses that EMD would wither up and die without the backing of GM...

 #238213  by mxdata
 
I would expect that the elimination of the GM "caste" system, that gave the offspring of company executives and graduates of the company college an unearned boost up the corporate ladder to instantly achieve their ultimate level of incompetence, probably made a big difference. There is much greater incentive for people to contribute to the effort when they know that their performance will have a significant effect on their future.

 #238710  by MEC407
 
This is good news for everybody, EMD and GE fans alike. A healthy and successful EMD will keep GE on its toes.

 #239697  by TheChessieCatLives
 
I live near the old C&O New River Division which has seen it's fair share of diesels. I would have to say that the number of GE vs. EMD locomotives is about the same in number. Let's say out of ten trains that go by here at any given time, the numbers are usually 6 GEs or EMDs to 4 GEs or EMDs or it equally split in half most of the time.

 #239879  by QuietGuy
 
GM did not really do much financially for EMD. The GM purse strings hurt EMD more than help. The railroad industry is such that railroads will only buy proven products so it takes a lot of proof for new products to be produced. EMD had to beg, borrow, & steal to get those first AC traction motor locomotives built and tested. Then at a test at the Transportation Test Center in Pueblo, CO several officials from many railroads witnessed a stupendous startup with up to then unheard of traction rates. The next year BNSF purchased a few hundred SD-70MACs which proved the technology was good. GE jumped in and 18 months later sold their AC locomotives for less and took over the market.

EMD had many redundant departments. IF a supplier had a problem, product engineers, supplier quality engineers, incoming quality engineers. and production quality engineers would all jump in to resolve the problem. It would involve a team of 5 to 14 people. I hear that some of these groups have been disbanded (laid off) so now the problems are solved by 1 or 2 people. The supplier is the one who is supposed to solve the problem, so EMD doesn't need all those anymore.

EMD lost one of the China locomotive orders since GM Detroit wouldn't loosen up the purse strings or negotiate with its other GM plants in China for offsets. GE did and won the contract. No suprize that EMD won the next contract when they weren't handcuffed by Detroit.

Having to go to Detroit to explain to some accounting geeks that the engineers in LaGrange needed $100,000 for some product improvement project did not make the products or the production process work very well. Plus the LaGrange union wanted all the stuff the other car manufacturing unions got, even though they weren't the same. That will now change over the next five years and I'm sure productivity will inprove, after a short period of transition from the old way of production to the new.

 #239973  by RailBus63
 
I agree with others that a healthy EMD is good for the railroad industry and for General Electric as well - the competition will make them stronger. I would be concerned that EMD's new owners may not have the deep pockets to compete with GE on major product developments, however. That said, perhaps now that AC traction is established and low-emission engines have been introduced, locomotive technology will be more evolutionary than the major changes we've witnessed in the past two decades.

Jim D.

 #244576  by *istDS
 
GE has always been a leader in corporate management, i.e. the 'Blue Book'-which predates Mr. Sloan of GM.

For years, the GE locomotive business was a poor step-child compared to other divisions- Majors, Aircraft Engines, etc. When Welch came to head GE, that circumstance changed. The loco business, along with many others, was to be fixed or sold. Welchs' words. Welch was a no-bs guy from Boston, a real flinty New Englander.

Welch happened to like Carl Schlemmer, who was running GE Trans when
Welch came upon the scene. Schlemmer had his ear. if memory serves me correctly, the time frame was in the early 80's. The economy wans't too good-money was tight, etc. Schlemmer had a plan to secure the future of GETS.

Plans for the Dash-8 line were underway, which included substantial revisions to the Erie and Grove City plants. Grove City was always the bottleneck for loco production, as they couldn't come close to matching EMD in number of engines produced. Somewhere along the way, Schlemmer retired and the guy who now runs Home Depot, Bob Nardelli, took his place. Nardelli carried out the plan, embelished and changed it.

What happened was this: the GETS capital budget got cut to sh_t. Grove City got a makeover, Erie did not. This enabled GETS to match the production volume of LaGranges', i.e., 1000 units/yr.

At Erie, there were rounds and rounds of cost cutting and productivity improvements. Over and over and over. Look at a current GE locomotive and a look at the first Dash-8's and one can see the manifestations in the carbody. There aren't many radiused surfaces left on any of the 'cabs', if any.

Of course, the bigger dollars are what you can't see-in the components.
For GE, it is all in the details.

Today, the GE Trans professional staff is a fraction of what it was in the late 40's-and they didn't built complete locomotives back then.

EMD never could mount a fair fight. Mr. Smith pissed away a bunch of money on cars that did not sell. Their plant was tired and worn. Their labor contract was based upon a circumstance that no longer existed-when GM was a really siginificant piece of the American GDP. Among others, Microsoft had long passed GM in market cap.

The toughest guy on the block can't win a fight if starved for years and both his hands are tied behind his back.



JFD

 #245041  by XBNSFer
 
"GE has always been a leader in corporate management"

Yes, and GM has long been THE leader in corporate MISmanagement - LOL

GM = Generally Mediocre

 #245066  by *istDS
 
No one has spoken of renewal parts.

Each locomotive sold guarantees the builder a certain amount of parts business over the locomotives' service life.

How many of you recall when GM was the dominant auto (and bus) manufacturer ?Having once repaired GM vehicles for pay back in the Pliestocene age, I know that the margin on parts was far higher than the margin on the complete new vehicle-which in turn was good. As part of the franchise agreement, the dealers were required to buy GM parts through the GM distribution channel. Some of you may recall those names: AC, Delco, etc.

If one considers the huge base of EMD locomotives (and engines) installed from the post WWII era to the end of Dash 2 series production, one can almost visualize the dollars involved in parts, a good deal going straight to the divisions bottom line. However, just like the auto side of the business, the volume of parts involved became a very attractive opportunity for aftermarket players. One has to wonder about all the lost sales of OEM EMD parts to the aftermarket ?

I don't have the figures in front of me, but GE has out produced EMD for many years. In the Alco era, most railroads never bothered to develop competency on component level repairs on GE equipment. The rule was that failed components got UTEX'ed to GE. Their Cleveland Service Shop specialized in the heavier stuff, and there was another facility for the electronic stuff.

From the time GE supplied Alco to the present, GE has kept a close eye on the competition. It is safe to say that GE took steps that forestalled the development of an active aftermarket for their parts.

The bottom line: parts sales=profits

 #267266  by chicagorails
 
does the new owner have any new products on the drawing board,say higher horses than the current 4300 hp? sd90 still available?