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 #145338  by trainiac
 
GE's and ALCO's do have a turbocharger whistle, but I guess it's not as loud. It's usually possible to pick out the turbocharger whistle from any turbocharged engine, even in a car or bus. Granted, EMD's seem to have a particularly noticeable whistle! The whistle is from the blades of the rotor passing through the air at an extremely high frequency--which occurs regardless of whether the engines are 2- or 4-cycle. (I suppose the exact pitch would depend on the rotating speed of the turbo and the number of blades.)

All the recordings I have of working MLW M420W's have a whistle, but it's quieter and higher-pitched than the whistle of the EMD's (I had to search to find one where the whistle is really noticeable). There's no "whine" like the EMD's, but then again that's not from the turbo.

Here's a recording of 2 M420W's and 2 GP40's--between 12 and 16 seconds into the recording, the MLW's pass in a chorus of very high-pitched whistles from the turbos (something like 6300 Hz). At 17 seconds the fan whine of the EMD's is most apparent, and at 18-19 seconds is the turbo whistle from the EMD's, slightly lower-pitched than the MLW's (around 4300 Hz).

http://trainiax.0catch.com/slrsept2000-3579.wav

 #145462  by AMTK84
 
trainiac wrote:Yeah, I like that CN recording. The fastest freight train I've recorded.

About the GP11's sounding like helicopters--couldn't agree more! Someone actually mistook a GP11 for a helicopter in one of my recordings! This one, actually--LLPX GP38-2 2232 and SLR GP11 8749 in run 8. (2232 also has a blasty Nathan M3H horn, which has since been replaced)

http://trainiax.0catch.com/slroct2000.wav

Gosh, I love that GP11...

Here's another one of my favourite EMD sounds (well, I like them all...) Halfway between the chugging Paducah Geeps and the deep 40's are the 38's--a few years ago SLR leased a fleet of ex-LIRR GP38-2's, freshly rebuilt, from LLPX. Those had perhaps the "cleanest" sound of any units I've heard--I think their reliability was bulletproof and they were in excellent general condition. They always ran in perfect harmony and sounded identical as they passed. Here are 4 of them...

http://trainiax.0catch.com/slrapr152001.wav

As for the 40's, there's more than one whine that they make. There's the fan whine which can usually be heard when they're close, but there's another whine, which can be heard for much greater distances. It's slightly higher pitched and a less sharp sound. You can hear it for most of the recording below, but the whine of the fans can only be heard once the units pass. I don't know what this other whine is--maybe the traction motor blower?

http://trainiax.0catch.com/slrmar1405-3806.wav

By the way, this recording is of SLR GP40M-3 3806 with a road slug and a GP40, crawling upgrade at 10 mph--slow enough that the oscillating ditch lights stopped flashing between the first and second whistle blasts!
The construction of the 16 cylinder and the 20 cylinder turbochargers for E3 engines is quite similar. The 20 cylinder has a little larger compressor diffuser area and with the greater exhaust flow it is able to wind up to considerably higher RPM in the top throttle notches. This contributes significantly to the difference in sound, both in amplitude and frequency.
I don't think the RPM of the 20-cylinder is different from the 645--both "standard" versions max out at 900 rpm, while the tweaked versions run at 950 rpm. Having said that, it's true that the sound is quite different--and it's because of the number of cylinders. With 25% more cylinders in the 20-cylinder version, it should create a pitch 25% higher than a 16-cylinder engine at the same rpm--which is, in fact, the case. I've never heard a 20-cylinder 645 in person, but I have heard a recording--a cool sounding engine indeed! It also makes sense that 20 cylinders would make more noise than 16.
Metro-North FL-9's had 5 chime horns that were absolutely the sweetest sounding horns ever. You could be on either side of the Hudson River and when they blew those horns you'd hear the initial blast, then a very melodic echo as the sound traveled across the valley.
The FL9's used to have Hancock 4700 air whistles that imitated the sound of a steam engine, that were later replaced by the (now commonplace) Nathan K5LA. The K5LA is particularly melodious when in tune!
I probably should have been more specific; when I refer to the EMD "whine," I'm also thinking of the "whistle" sound that comes from the turbo, which is definitely not something you hear from a GP38 or other non-turbo EMD loco.
Right on! I like the whistle, a defining sound of any turbocharged loco.
Although SD40's/GP40's are some of the best-sounding EMD locos, the F40PH/F40PH-2's aren't far behind. Metra still has a nice fleet of 115 F40PH-cearies units...Hear is a great recording of 2 Metra F40PH's in run 8, with nice GP40-style fans, an older EMD bell, and a nice P5A:

http://www.CTRGroup.net/recordings/METX ... 2-3-05.mp3

Another, same setting:

http://www.CTRGroup.net/recordings/METX ... -10-05.mp3

Different day, same pare of engines, same engineer/setting:

http://www.CTRGroup.net/recordings/METX ... -15-05.mp3

 #146939  by trainiac
 
Here's a new EMD recording from today...

This train was totally spectacular--I don't know how else to describe it. Motive power:
SLR GP40 3004
SLR GP40 3001
SLR RM-1 806 (road slug)
SLR GP40M-3 3806 (slug mother, GP40X rebuild)

Heading up a 1% grade with 86 cars, at about 7.5 mph in run 8.

The GP40's sound different when fighting for adhesion; there was sand dust billowing around the trucks. (The slug set, however, could have gone down another mph or two before wheelslip would become a problem)

http://trainiax.0catch.com/slrjuly1305-3004.wav

This is a long recording--2 min 19 sec, 950 K--but I think it's worth it for EMD fans

 #152678  by bones
 
There is no mistaking the sound of an E8 or E9!

 #153475  by David Hutchinson
 
Does anyone out there remember a record... yes, vinyl round thing with a hole in the middle, from the 60's called RAILROAD SOUNDS? It was a record with sounds of IC steam and diesel. It had one absolutely incredible clip with what sounded like a single GP7/9 starting a cut of cars from a standstill. Has to be the best sound, next to double headed Trainmasters on the Port Reading Branch of the Reading pulling 120 loaded hoppers.......... sorry about the FM reference on an EMD thread.

 #153478  by David Hutchinson
 
Stupid me... I should have checked e-bay.... they have the record... says it was recorded in 1958.

 #153486  by MEC407
 
On the Pentrex video Today's Maine Railroads, there is footage of a GP7 pulling 20 or so cars onto the mainline from a standstill. The sound of that old geep winding up is truly unique and thrilling.

 #153649  by David Hutchinson
 
I could not hear four Reading RS-3s as readily as four GP7s... they did/do have a unique sound, especially that dull dronning sound off in the distance as they work on an upgrade. I also remember being out at Tehacipi Loop and being able to hear the EMDs long before they were seen......

 #154669  by SOU2645
 
You can definitely hear EMD's for miles. I grew up on a steep graded branchline (SOU now NS) and they liked using single GP38/GP38-2's on the local. You could (and still can) hear the inbound train for quite sometime if they have a heavy load. I also witnessed a SD40/SD40-2 trio tackling Saluda Hill in 1990 and you could hear these SD's all the way to the top while at the bottom.
Larry

 #154789  by trainiac
 
Does anybody know the cause of this rather unusual dynamic braking sound? SLR GP40 3206 was the last locomotive in this seven-unit consist, and its d/b fan was spinning like there's no tomorrow with a regular fast/slow fluctuation in fan speed. I do know that this unit did not originally have d/b; it was added by EMD for leasing service.

http://trainiax.0catch.com/slrjune0605-805.wav

 #154799  by MEC407
 
Wow! Almost sounds like a siren. Very interesting.

 #155480  by ANDY117
 
I like the sound of CP SD40-2's around here starting a train in Conklin yard, or the various GP9u/GP7u working cuts of cars, or idling.

 #155540  by BlackDog
 
The most distinctive sound to me is when you are blasting along in your SD75 at 60 mh and the engine dies. Once you have silenced the alarm, there is an unearthly quiet, like you are in a vacuum, with the diagnostic computer telling you "ENGINE NOT RUNNING'. There is no other sound like a dead EMD's sound of silence.

 #155589  by AmtrakFan
 
The EMD on BNSF sound like someone quaking.