UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Discussion about the Union Pacific operations past and present. Official site can be found here: UPRR.COM.

Moderator: GOLDEN-ARM

Dick H
Posts: 3483
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:55 pm
Location: Dover, NH

UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by Dick H » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:11 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_4141" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.heritageunits.com/Locomotive/Detail/UP4141" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dick H
Posts: 3483
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:55 pm
Location: Dover, NH

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Reactivated.

Post by Dick H » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:05 am

From Click2Houston: Details of GHWB funeral train route and
short video of the original unveiling of UP 4141,
https://www.click2houston.com/news/the- ... ge-hw-bush" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jeff Smith
Site Admin
Posts: 8460
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 am
Location: MP 67.2 Georgia Southern Railway

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Reactivated.

Post by Jeff Smith » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:50 pm

https://www.up.com/media/media_kit/bush41/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Next stop, Willoughby
~Jeff Smith (fka "Sarge") :: RAILROAD.NET Site Administrator/Co-Owner

litz
Posts: 504
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:39 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by litz » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:22 am

I will bet that shortly after this final service to the President, this unit will be donated and retired at the Bush Library.

UP has basically held it in storage since its unveiling in 2005, specifically for this final Presidential request.

mtuandrew
Posts: 5784
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:59 am
Location: the Manassas Gap Independent Line

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by mtuandrew » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:12 pm

An ACe is an expensive piece of equipment to just donate out. It would make more sense to me to release it to general duty and donate it at a future point.

Backshophoss
Posts: 6117
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by Backshophoss » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:26 pm

UP 4141 tended to be used in and around the state of Texas and in the Houston metroplex on transfer runs.
UP did the same with a couple of units in the Salt Lake city metro area for the Winter Olympics.

If UP 4141 is to be donated to the Pres Bush Library,it would happen when the SD70ACE Fleet is retired/sold off/returned to leaser.
The Land of Enchantment is not Flyover country!

litz
Posts: 504
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:39 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by litz » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:13 pm

UP has been very protective of that locomotive in recent years ... current political climates make it a tempting target.

jcburns
Posts: 6
Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:19 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by jcburns » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:16 pm

I don’t think many protesters would link George HW Bush’s actions with the current political situation. A shiny, gaudy overdecorated blindingly gold locomotive with the current President’s last name in huge letters...well, that might be different.

justalurker66
Posts: 2331
Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 11:20 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by justalurker66 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:18 pm

The PR benefit of donating the engine or putting it on display at their own museum (especially now that it will serve as part of a presidential funeral train) makes 4141 worth more preserved than wearing it out or letting it rust. It isn't doing UP any good in storage - they might as well get some benefit out of it by putting it on display.

Meal Period
Posts: 9
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:45 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by Meal Period » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:31 pm

You can bet there will be more than one Engine. They will not want to chance 4141 breaking down. I have seen Engine 1943 there too, that one honors all branches of military service. Probably will be a third engine at least, just in case.

User avatar
STrRedWolf
Posts: 1301
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by STrRedWolf » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:48 pm

NPR just aired a report on it's All Thing's Considered program about UP 4141, highlighting some of the history of the train. As soon as it's posted I'll try to link it.
"The last and final stop is BALTIMORE PENN STATION." I can has MARC V?

JackRussell
Posts: 616
Joined: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:58 am
Location: Northern Virginia

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by JackRussell » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:32 pm

litz wrote:I will bet that shortly after this final service to the President, this unit will be donated and retired at the Bush Library.

UP has basically held it in storage since its unveiling in 2005, specifically for this final Presidential request.
Would the library even want it? To properly display it, you would need some amount of space, and unless there is a siding going up next to the library, transporting the locomotive will be incredibly expensive.

R36 Combine Coach
Posts: 5446
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:51 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:00 pm

If you go to the UP's funeral train route and right click on the PDF under "properties", the file has a date of 1/18/2017, which indicates this was planned for some time.
Since my friend continues to chain smoke nonstop, she is probably an Alco.

ConstanceR46
Posts: 380
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:57 pm

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by ConstanceR46 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:48 pm

Honestly, i think that the UP's gonna try and wash their hands of 4141 ASAP.

It's not gonna be a good PR look to say the least if 4141 ends up wrecked, burnt to a crisp, or one of the several other things that could happen to trains.

User avatar
STrRedWolf
Posts: 1301
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:18 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Re: UP 4141 George Bush 41 Funeral Train

Post by STrRedWolf » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:17 am

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/05/67385776 ... ting-place" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The last and final stop is BALTIMORE PENN STATION." I can has MARC V?

Post Reply

Return to “Union Pacific”