Southern Tier

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Southern Tier

Post by railmason357 » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:06 pm

Is NS leaving the Souther Tier? I was hearing a rumor that they were pulling out of their Campbell Hall Operation. NYSW taking over?
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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Anchorman » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:57 pm

no

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Itchman » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:11 pm

Strong rumor has it that NS is putting in 2 crossovers, one west of the old Lehigh crossover (in Owego) which now leads to O&H railway , and another at MP235, which is East of the Front Street crossing and then its going to be single track to Endicott. Any Real Truth to this?

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Anchorman » Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:04 am

Yes they are single tracking the section between Waverly and Binghamton. 3 sidings in between. All new signal system is going in as well. Work has already begun on this and will be in full swing hopefully when the weather breaks.

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by checkthedoorlight » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:41 am

I was trying to look up some info on the Southern Tier line north of Port Jervis. Why does the Harrisburg ETT only cover MP 213-419? Is everything below 213 in a different division, or does another RR own that portion?

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by scottychaos » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:47 pm

checkthedoorlight wrote:I was trying to look up some info on the Southern Tier line north of Port Jervis. Why does the Harrisburg ETT only cover MP 213-419? Is everything below 213 in a different division, or does another RR own that portion?
"north" of Port Jervis?
the southern tier is generally considered an East-West line, (regardless of compass direction in a given area)

Looks like MP 213-419 is Norfolk Southern, 213 is Binghamton, 419 is Buffalo.
and thats all the "Southern Tier Main" trackage that NS owns today..they own Buffalo to Binghamton.

East of MP 213 (Binghamton) is NYSW..so yes, different railroads.

(or does NS still technically own the route? and NYSW only leases it? im not sure on that..
I know its generally considered NYSW east of Binghamton, not NS..but im not sure of the actual ownership)

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by checkthedoorlight » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:54 pm

Interesting. Last I heard, MNRR leased and maintains the line from Suffern Yard to the NY/PA state line (mp ~30-90). The question is, are they leasing it from NS, NYSW or do they now own it?

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Kaback9 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:20 pm

checkthedoorlight wrote:Interesting. Last I heard, MNRR leased and maintains the line from Suffern Yard to the NY/PA state line (mp ~30-90). The question is, are they leasing it from NS, NYSW or do they now own it?
Norfolk Southern owns the portion MN leases.
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Re: Southern Tier

Post by mainetrain » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:43 pm

so then they own the portion NYSW leases?

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Kaback9 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:46 pm

mainetrain wrote:so then they own the portion NYSW leases?
I am not 100% sure on that arrangement NYSW and NS have from MP90 up. One thing to note though is the detectors do say NYSW not that it really means anything,
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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Anchorman » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:33 am

Now the newest rumor is with the upswing in the economy and the new Patriot Corridor traffic the single track project is off!!! Good news!!! The new signal system is still on so if all goes as planned we'll have 261 signals and upgraded double track. Ideally the rumor mill has it if traffic continues to increase they are planning to put back the double track to Gibson. It's stil rumor now but it's coming from high up so who knows. At least they see the fault in ripping out any track. Also talked about is the ethanol train 4 times a week(2 loads/2 empties) and also a Toyota train out of Toronto has been mentioned. Hope the throttle doesn't get stuck on that train. It might be "unstoppable". BTW - NS still owns the Tier up to Jersey Transit(or whoever owns them now). NYS&W leases the line - CNY is just a paper RR.

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by checkthedoorlight » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:06 pm

So how does the Central NY Railroad fit into this?

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Kaback9 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:18 pm

checkthedoorlight wrote:So how does the Central NY Railroad fit into this?
Its the name used for the railroad on paper and documents pertaining to the lease.
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Re: Southern Tier

Post by ANDY117 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:01 am

Anchorman wrote:Now the newest rumor is with the upswing in the economy and the new Patriot Corridor traffic the single track project is off!!! Good news!!! The new signal system is still on so if all goes as planned we'll have 261 signals and upgraded double track. Ideally the rumor mill has it if traffic continues to increase they are planning to put back the double track to Gibson. It's stil rumor now but it's coming from high up so who knows. At least they see the fault in ripping out any track. Also talked about is the ethanol train 4 times a week(2 loads/2 empties) and also a Toyota train out of Toronto has been mentioned. Hope the throttle doesn't get stuck on that train. It might be "unstoppable". BTW - NS still owns the Tier up to Jersey Transit(or whoever owns them now). NYS&W leases the line - CNY is just a paper RR.

Are any of the signals that are currently in use able to support another signal head facing the other direction, or would they all get replaced? Any idea when the target time to start those new trains is?

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Re: Southern Tier

Post by Itchman » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:42 pm

I see NS has set up an office trailer in Owego ,right by the underpass(route96 &38) for the new signal and single track operation.

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