Mcoov wrote:Why do the decks on these locomotives seem shorter than that of a standard SD40-2? They look like those off a Geep.Many are ex SD45-2s which had longer hoods at the cost of larger decks.
Railroad Forums
PAR SD40-2s (MEC 600 series and 3400 series)
- Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.
Moderator: MEC407
Mcoov wrote:Why do the decks on these locomotives seem shorter than that of a standard SD40-2? They look like those off a Geep.Because they are rebuilt SD45's or SD45-2's, which had shorter decks.
Good Evening,
I have three questions about these 'new' units:
- Other than MEC 616 being former HLCX 6407, I haven't seen the before/after road numbers for the 10 Helm units, does anyone have this information? (I know they are in the 610 to 619 sequence, I am interested in the exact matches.)
- Is there a difference between an SD40-2, an SD40M-2 and an SD40-2R? Helm listed some of the units as SD40M-2 and Trona called some of the same units SD40-2R. Are these just different ways of stating rebuilt to SD40-2 standards?
- Does anyone know the heritage of 6415, 6416, 6427 and 6429? Through some searching, I have found the details on the other 6 units, but not these 4. Once I have all ten (and their new MEC 61X numbers) I'll post the entire list.
Thank you very much,
Stephen
I have three questions about these 'new' units:
- Other than MEC 616 being former HLCX 6407, I haven't seen the before/after road numbers for the 10 Helm units, does anyone have this information? (I know they are in the 610 to 619 sequence, I am interested in the exact matches.)
- Is there a difference between an SD40-2, an SD40M-2 and an SD40-2R? Helm listed some of the units as SD40M-2 and Trona called some of the same units SD40-2R. Are these just different ways of stating rebuilt to SD40-2 standards?
- Does anyone know the heritage of 6415, 6416, 6427 and 6429? Through some searching, I have found the details on the other 6 units, but not these 4. Once I have all ten (and their new MEC 61X numbers) I'll post the entire list.
Thank you very much,
Stephen
Stephen wrote: - Is there a difference between an SD40-2, an SD40M-2 and an SD40-2R? Helm listed some of the units as SD40M-2 and Trona called some of the same units SD40-2R. Are these just different ways of stating rebuilt to SD40-2 standards?As far as I know SD40M-2's were rebuilt SP SD45's. The Trona units are rebuilt SD45-2's so the SD40-2R can be applied to them. "R" is a versatile letter and gets applied to alot of models modified or rebuilt after initial purchase. But really the only difference is on the outside, internally they should all be SD40-2's. Every railroad does things different, look at CN who calls chop nose GP9's "GP9RM's" While CP calls basically the same exact thing a "GP9u." Its a "potaytoe/potahtoe" type of deal.
KSmitty wrote: As far as I know SD40M-2's were rebuilt SP SD45's. The Trona units are rebuilt SD45-2's so the SD40-2R can be applied to them. "R" is a versatile letter and gets applied to alot of models modified or rebuilt after initial purchase. But really the only difference is on the outside, internally they should all be SD40-2's. Every railroad does things different, look at CN who calls chop nose GP9's "GP9RM's" While CP calls basically the same exact thing a "GP9u." Its a "potaytoe/potahtoe" type of deal.That's what I figured, but I wasn't sure.
Thanks,
Stephen
I understand that Pan-Am took two locomotives from Conway Scenic in exchange for the 252 and 216 and was wondering if that was true and if there was any pictures of the Conway engines.....Thanks
Yes, it's true. Much information about this can be found elsewhere on the site:
Pan Am Business Train (OCS) Discussion
GP38 #252
GP35 #216
Conway Scenic Railroad Discussion
Pan Am Business Train (OCS) Discussion
GP38 #252
GP35 #216
Conway Scenic Railroad Discussion
MEC407
Moderator:
Pan Am Railways — Boston & Maine/Maine Central — Delaware & Hudson
Central Maine & Quebec/Montreal, Maine & Atlantic/Bangor & Aroostook
Providence & Worcester — New England — GE Locomotives
Moderator:
Pan Am Railways — Boston & Maine/Maine Central — Delaware & Hudson
Central Maine & Quebec/Montreal, Maine & Atlantic/Bangor & Aroostook
Providence & Worcester — New England — GE Locomotives
All,
Below is all of the information I have been able to pull together on these 'new' units. I am sure there are errors, so please let me know and I will update this and repost. If anyone can get serial numbers for MEC 612 (ex HLCX 6415), or MEC 614 (ex HLCX 6427), I am having a lot of trouble finding any details on these locomotives. A list of the sources I used is at the bottom.
(Also, a big thank you to Otto for getting this in a form I could post!)
Stephen
Below is all of the information I have been able to pull together on these 'new' units. I am sure there are errors, so please let me know and I will update this and repost. If anyone can get serial numbers for MEC 612 (ex HLCX 6415), or MEC 614 (ex HLCX 6427), I am having a lot of trouble finding any details on these locomotives. A list of the sources I used is at the bottom.
(Also, a big thank you to Otto for getting this in a form I could post!)
Stephen
Mcoov wrote:Who are FUS, NdeM, and QNS&L?FUS = Ferrocarriles Nacionales de Mexico
NDeM = Ferrocarriles Nacionales de Mexico
QNS&L = Quebec North Shore & Labrador Railway
Before somebody asks:
FUS = Ferrocarriles Unidos del Sureste
which is part of NdeM
Buenas noches.
PBM
FUS = Ferrocarriles Unidos del Sureste
which is part of NdeM
Buenas noches.
PBM
Excellent information. I would offer just two minor corrections. The 602 is still classified as a straight SD40, having never been rebuilt. 610-613 and 619 are classified as SD40-2's (ex SD45) while 614-618 are SD40M-2's (ex SD45-2) as you stated.
Dave
Dave
Stephen wrote:All,
Below is all of the information I have been able to pull together on these 'new' units. I am sure there are errors, so please let me know and I will update this and repost. If anyone can get serial numbers for MEC 612 (ex HLCX 6415), or MEC 614 (ex HLCX 6427), I am having a lot of trouble finding any details on these locomotives. A list of the sources I used is at the bottom.
(Also, a big thank you to Otto for getting this in a form I could post!)
Stephen
Well, according to Mr. Gingrich's roster summary for July 2010, you are indeed correct on the 602, it is an SD40.
I also agree that the 610-613 and 619 are indeed not SD40M-2's.
It would seem according to that site, that if the unit is of SP heritage it is not an SD40M-2 (except the SP# 8484, 8485, 8588-8590, 8605 and 8616 which are on the list of rebuilt units, but appear to have been sold and then repurchased for use as rebuild trade in.) However, it is possible that Helm or another company along the line re-classed the units as SD40M-2's.
That said, very nice list Stephen!
I also agree that the 610-613 and 619 are indeed not SD40M-2's.
my ESPEE MODELERS ARCHIVE wrote:In 1993, SP contracted with Morrison Knudsen to supply 133 SD40M-2's, as part of the contract, SP was to supply no carbodies or shells. This sparked a frantic search for 133 six axle locos suitable for rebuilding. The search turned up 30 SD40's, 97 SD45's and 6 SDP45's. Due to another kitbash happening at MK at the time, 10 of the rebuilt SD45's received GP40 rear hoods and radiators. This resulted in 4 distinct versions, although all classified SD40M-2.See this site for more information.
It would seem according to that site, that if the unit is of SP heritage it is not an SD40M-2 (except the SP# 8484, 8485, 8588-8590, 8605 and 8616 which are on the list of rebuilt units, but appear to have been sold and then repurchased for use as rebuild trade in.) However, it is possible that Helm or another company along the line re-classed the units as SD40M-2's.
That said, very nice list Stephen!
ferroequinarchaeologist wrote:Before somebody asks:Gracias...
FUS = Ferrocarriles Unidos del Sureste
which is part of NdeM
Buenas noches.
PBM
cp8558 wrote:I would offer just two minor corrections. The 602 is still classified as a straight SD40, having never been rebuilt. 610-613 and 619 are classified as SD40-2's (ex SD45) while 614-618 are SD40M-2's (ex SD45-2) as you stated.Re: 602 - Thanks, I had seen both and I figured the SD40 was a typo since it was the only one. I guess the Sd40-2 was the typo.
Re: 610-613 and 619 a couple of place suggested that Helm (HLCX) called them SD40M-2s.
Since SD40M-2 should be essentially the same as a SD40-2, I think when I update this, I'll limit the current designation to SD40, SD40-2 and SD40-3.
How different is an SD40-3 and SD40-2?
Thanks cp8558 and KSmitty,
Stephen