Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

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Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by 25Hz » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:06 pm

Over-powered manifest headed east on RDG main to NJ via west Trenton.

Some kinda rusty older unit on point.
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Re: Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by 25Hz » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:13 pm

By neshaminy falls I could look down the ROW & another train was waiting to proceed east.
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Re: Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by mmi16 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:48 pm

While there may be a large number of locomotives on any particular train - not all of them will be on line and providing power to the train - in fact for trains headed to Selkirk, it is most likely most of the locomotives are dead from various mechanical failures and are heading to the shop for repairs. CSX Rules limit Merchandise Trains to the tonnage rating of three GE Dash 8 locomotives over any territory. Unit trains are limited to the tonnage rating of two CW44AC + one Dash 8.
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Re: Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by RussNelson » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:56 pm

I've seen trains with six locomotives on the St. Lawrence Subdivision. I asked, and was told "rebalancing power".

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Re: Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by 25Hz » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:13 am

Sorry for the shakey, no tripod.

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Re: Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by roadster » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:09 pm

CSX rules require a HP to tonnage ratio of 2/1 when possible, but not to exceed 2/1 by more than minimally needed. There is also the powered axles limit rule. CSX prohibits more than 24 powered/ dynamic brake axles on any train (exception, express trains, Q090/091,are allowed 27 axles to permit 3 CW44AC's on line) DC locos have a value simular to the number of axles ie: SD40's, SD50's, SD60's all carry an axle value of 6. C40-8's, CW40-8's, ES40dc's carry 7 axle value. AC locos like CW44AC or AH's carry a value of 9, and the monster CW60AC's are 11, and older GP38's/40's have an axle value of 4 each.
So engineers must calculate between the tonnage/Horse power ratio and powered axles ratios to have the maximum available power without exceeding parameters. Divide consist HP by the trains tonnage to get ratio.
Here's a quick example: I have a container train, about 15 cars, 5000 ft and 2,200 tons. My 2/1 HP maximum is 4,400HP. I have 2 ES40DC's for power. One engine gives me 4000hp which is below the 2/1 ratio, so I can have 2 on line at 8000 hp, even tho, I'm over the 2/1 ratio, 8000 is as close as I can get to be above 2/1.
Now, same train, but now power is 1 ES44AH in lead and 1 ES40DC trailing. Since the leader is 4400 hp it equals the 2/1 HP/tonnage rating and I can only have the lead ES44AC on line for power.
A month ago, I was assigned a rather large container train, over 7300 tons. It had 3 ES40DC's. With all 3 on line, their 12,000 hp was still below the 2/1 HP per ton. If that train had been powered by 3 ES44AC engines, I would have been restricted to using only 2. While the HP/ton ratio was still below 2/1, the AC's powered axle rating (9 each) would have exceeded the 24 axles rule
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On a side note here. CSX has also been using regular trains to ferry power around, instead of light power moves, to conserve fuel and crew availability
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Re: Over-powered manifest eastbound past west Trenton.

Post by Jim in S.E. Pa. » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:42 pm

On a side note. Looks to me like that vid was shot at Langhorne. If I had to guess (judging from the make up of the consist) that train may have been, Q410, Q418, or Q438. All 3 of which are normally powered with 2 units on point, but a lot of times will be seen with several more units along for the ride destined for locations short on power, or headed for the shop at Selkirk (as mentioned above).

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