CR #2485 C424 disposition

[nydepot]

Anyone got the skinny on the disposition from CR onwards? Thanks.

Charles

[uhaul]

Aha!

#2474, 2486, 2489 & 2493 sold to GB & W as 319-322.
-- #2475, 2480, 2481 & 2488 rebuilt (C424m) and
sold to the D& H as 451 and 453-455; #451 and 455
conveyed to Springfield Terminal (GTI) and re-# 70 and
74; units later returned to the D & H as the #70 and 74.
-- #2476, 2479 and 2482 rebuilt (C424m) and sold D& H as
461, 462 and 463 (funding provided by G & W); units
later went to the G & W as 61, 62 and 63; # 62 and 63
sold to Minnesota Commercial

[nydepot]

Correct, it left CR in EL paint in 12/80.

Charles

[nydepot]

No 2485 in that list.

Charles

Aha!

#2474, 2486, 2489 & 2493 sold to GB & W as 319-322.
-- #2475, 2480, 2481 & 2488 rebuilt (C424m) and
sold to the D& H as 451 and 453-455; #451 and 455
conveyed to Springfield Terminal (GTI) and re-# 70 and
74; units later returned to the D & H as the #70 and 74.
-- #2476, 2479 and 2482 rebuilt (C424m) and sold D& H as
461, 462 and 463 (funding provided by G & W); units
later went to the G & W as 61, 62 and 63; # 62 and 63
sold to Minnesota Commercial

[scottychaos]

No 2485 in that list.

Charles

and no EL 2411 listed on the EL survivors page

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... Survivors/

of course its possible a C424 has slipped under the radar and hasn't been officially counted yet...but surviving Alcos are pretty well accounted for these days, so I would give it 99% odds she is scrapped.

Charles,
just curious, what is the significance of this particular unit?

Scot

[GOLDEN-ARM]

Aha!

#2474, 2486, 2489 & 2493 sold to GB & W as 319-322.
-- #2475, 2480, 2481 & 2488 rebuilt (C424m) and
sold to the D& H as 451 and 453-455; #451 and 455
conveyed to Springfield Terminal (GTI) and re-# 70 and
74; units later returned to the D & H as the #70 and 74.
-- #2476, 2479 and 2482 rebuilt (C424m) and sold D& H as
461, 462 and 463 (funding provided by G & W); units
later went to the G & W as 61, 62 and 63; # 62 and 63
sold to Minnesota Commercial

AHA, I have again answered a post, without reading the question. No loco listed, Terry, regarding the loco being looked for. What, no pictures this time?............

[nydepot]

Charles,
just curious, what is the significance of this particular unit?

Scot

It was in the group of fodder C424/C425s GE bought from CR that ended up as the D&H, GB&W, and D&M Alcos. Like the ones that ended up at the LA&L. Some Alcos even sat through GE ownership and into MK ownership (those went to the NY&LE). I assumed it was scrapped but usually someone has a list of those things when it concerns an Alco.

GE did scrap several engines when they shut down, most noteably some SCL U25Cs, of which I have a trust plate.

Charles

[scharnhorst]

Some of the Former EL C424's never made it into Conrail but went Directly to the British Columbia Railway where they were rebuilt to Canadian standards.

[lvrr325]

In fact the EL C425s were sold to BC Rail and worked their way west on the EL and BN. About all they did on them is move the headlight and bell and add some of the Canadian required features like emergency supplies for the crew.

That list leaves out the two units that went to NY&LE, the MK painted 6101 and one unit which was ex-PC and only used for parts on the NY&LE (and I believe still rotting there).

The G&W 61/D&H 461 final dispo is missing, I presume that one was the one wrecked by runaway freight cars, and likely scrapped. Those existant of the D&H 450-series are on the LA&L now - as are three of the units that went to the GB&W.

[scottychaos]

The G&W 61/D&H 461 final dispo is missing, I presume that one was the one wrecked by runaway freight cars, and likely scrapped. Those existant of the D&H 450-series are on the LA&L now - as are three of the units that went to the GB&W.

nee EL 2402
to CR 2476
to D&H C424m 461 (rebuilt Hornell, 1980)
to G&W 61 in 1985
Wrecked Caledonia, NY on 6/20/86, scrapped.

from: http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/GW/GWpage.html

Scot

[scharnhorst]

Minnesota Commercial Railroad has 1 ex-GB&W C424 still on its roster in active service which is Ex EL. The rostor below shows there ALCO Fleet. A 2ed Ex EL unit is listed but has been removed from the fleet.
http://www.tamr.org/Andy_Inserra/MNNR%20home.htm

[lvrr325]

I'd have to research to find out just how many of those rebuilds the GBW picked up. The only ones I knew about were the three that the LA&L has now - they could have been had pretty cheap when they were in Arkansas - the catch was the wheels were so thin they had to be changed out to move the things off-line on their own wheels. The road had a GBW RS3m, too, and that was scrapped for parts.

Of those three, one was ex-PRR (the only PRR C424 and by some accounts the first C424). The others I'd have to look up, seems like one was EL and one RDG though.

Still no sign of #2485? If someone had a good stack of 1982-1986 X2200 South magazines, that might hold a clue.

[scharnhorst]

The G&W 61/D&H 461 final dispo is missing, I presume that one was the one wrecked by runaway freight cars, and likely scrapped. Those existant of the D&H 450-series are on the LA&L now - as are three of the units that went to the GB&W.

GB&W was eaten up by Wisconsin Central in 1993 were the 3 units in question gone before that merger or would they have hung around for a little bit on the WC??

[lvrr325]

The G&W 61/D&H 461 final dispo is missing, I presume that one was the one wrecked by runaway freight cars, and likely scrapped. Those existant of the D&H 450-series are on the LA&L now - as are three of the units that went to the GB&W.

GB&W was eaten up by Wisconsin Central in 1993 were the 3 units in question gone before that merger or would they have hung around for a little bit on the WC??

You uh, might want to read the post just above yours.

[KevinD]

I photographed CR C-424 2485 outside the Hornell shops in 1982. It looks like it was one of a few parts units that were left behind after GE finished with all the Alco rebuild programs. Not sure if it was still there when MK took over. I don't have any notes as to what the ex-RDG unit's number is, and the frame that looks like its reddish primer puzzles me. I tried matching up the black paint patch on the ex-RDG to try to identify it, but the quantity of RDG-patched C-424 photos is a bit slim on the internet

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5831/cr2485.jpg

I shot the 2485 on a trip to look over the trackwork to put the Southern Tier mainline back in shape after NYSDOT won their lawsuit regarding the pitiful "Mickey Mouse trains" (cab hops, trains of empty cars running back and forth) that Conrail had been running in violation of the NYSDOT's Southern Tier Line financial investment agreement. During the recession, traffic had been confined to track 1 west of Hornell, and track 2 had been left to rust (with the River Line switch still intact, even though the River Line was abandoned west of the signal). After Conrail lost the lawsuit, they did some work to put track 2 back in service. Ballast has been dropped, the River Line switch frog pulled and replaced with a piece of stick rail from the River Line (no traffic has been over it), and regular tie plates have been dropped in preparation of replacing the switch ties with normal ties.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/5049/river.jpg