Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

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Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by NJTRailfan » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:48 pm

As the topic states which model engine, trainset or strctures do you hope that the manufactures like Walthers and Atlas hope to do?

Mine would be

1. NJDOT E-8 in Midnight blue. The paint job has grown on me. Hopefully Atlas or Walthers will do 3 different numbers.
2. CNJ GP-7 high nose. Again 3 numbers
3. Phoebe Snow and/or CNJ Blue Comet. Hopefully Walthers while coming out with the next set after the El Capitan will do this.

This is a long shot but maybe the old NY Penn Station or even a section of it that made it famous. Walthers has done a great job modeling stations. Would like to see the old NYP really remembered.

The CNJ Terminal in Jersey City could be another one complete with working clock. Great center peive for any layout.
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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Eliphaz » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:34 pm

that GP-7 with the lighting equipment box on the long end would be nice. The B&M and the C&NW also had them.
Atlas could produce a shell for that in both N and HO, and there are at least seven paint schemes for it right off the bat.

there is a longstanding shortage of Camelback steam engine models in all scales. no RTR one has ever been produced in N scale, though I have seen a brass kit which starts with a $200 Fleischmann chassis.

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by N-Trizzy2609 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:49 pm

Arrow II Pair
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Silverliner III
Silverliner V
Another AEM-7 run.
Comet I High Door
Another SEPTA and NJT Horizon Coaches run.
A model of SEPTA ALP-44M #2308.
NJ Transit P40BH
Keystone Cab Car
ALP-46/A
Heritage Amtrak AEM-7s in Pennsylvania RR, and New Heaven Guinness paint schemes. ALP-44s in Central NJ, Pennsy, E-L and Lehigh Valley paints.
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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by peanut1 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:37 pm

LIRR SW1001's in Harold colors
Amtrak AEM7's
Amtrak P32 Genny's
Amtrak Keystone cabs
LIRR M1's & M3's
LIRR FL9's

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Otto Vondrak » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:23 pm

NJTRailfan wrote:As the topic states which model engine, trainset or strctures do you hope that the manufactures like Walthers and Atlas hope to do?
I hope they continue to offer models that have mass-market appeal, and therefore, help keep the costs down.

1. NJDOT E-8 in Midnight blue. The paint job has grown on me. Hopefully Atlas or Walthers will do 3 different numbers.
2. CNJ GP-7 high nose. Again 3 numbers
You need Walthers or Atlas to factory paint these for you? A good custom painter could do these for you in a weekend. I don't think there's enough mass-market appeal for NJDOT E-units. Perhaps your CNJ GP7's, but haven't those been offered before?
3. Phoebe Snow and/or CNJ Blue Comet. Hopefully Walthers while coming out with the next set after the El Capitan will do this.
Never going to happen. When you posted this very same comment last year, I explained to you that micro-regional favorites like the Blue Comet or the Phoebe Snow do not have enough mass-market appeal to even come close to meeting sales projections that would make these projects worthwhile.
This is a long shot but maybe the old NY Penn Station or even a section of it that made it famous. Walthers has done a great job modeling stations. Would like to see the old NYP really remembered.
Put this one on the shelf next to the scale model of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
The CNJ Terminal in Jersey City could be another one complete with working clock. Great center peice for any layout.
Again, too micro-regional to have... Oh, never mind.

Listen, the "dream" models you want can be obtained from any custom-painter or professional model builder. You might pay a little more for what you want, but the upside is that you won't have to "dream" or wait around for a major manufacturer like Walthers or Atlas to make the models you want.

If you like, I can outline some of the research and development steps involved in bringing a new model to market...

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Otto Vondrak » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:31 pm

Peanut, you didn't specify a scale for your "dreams," so I'm going to assume HO.
peanut1 wrote:LIRR SW1001's in Harold colors
This sounds like a great idea for a custom paint project.
Amtrak AEM7's
Amtrak P32 Genny's
Um, these were produced in HO scale already.

AEM-7 by Atlas:
http://www.atlasrr.com/Reviews/hoaem7mrn.htm

Okay, so Athearn made a P42, but they are still out there to be found:
http://www.historicrail.com/product_inf ... r%20Trains

Amtrak Keystone cabs
You gave up on your kitbashing project already?
LIRR M1's & M3's
http://islandmodelworks.com/M1.html

LIRR FL9's
You'll have to settle for a regular FL9 and make your own modfications.

http://ihphobby.tripod.com/hopages/hofl9page.html

Branford Hobbies also sells a resin shell and chassis kit for an HO scale FL9. They will also sell them assembled and painted. Branford Hobbies: (203) 488-9865.

Try kitbashing! http://www.deepsoft.com/~heller/workshop/fl9/


Here's the upshot. If you really want a particular model, and it's not offered commercially, the answer is not to hope and dream that someone manufactures it for you. It doesn't work that way. There are many ways to get the models you want, whether you build them yourself or hire someone to do it for you!

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Ken S. » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:34 pm

Otto,

When I was younger I wanted ready to run NYC Subway cars and look what happened when Trainworld and Life-Like put heads together. Now if I could only get a Whitebird set.

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Otto Vondrak » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:38 pm

N-trizzy, I'm going to assume HO scale for you, too.
N-Trizzy2609 wrote:Arrow II Pair
Arrow III Pairs
Silverliner III
Silverliner V
http://ihphobby.tripod.com/
Another AEM-7 run.
Another? Atlas couldn't sell the first run!

Comet I High Door

Another SEPTA and NJT Horizon Coaches run.
Doubt Walthers will re-run these any time soon, especially when the commuter railroads that ran them are phasing them out... That's how long ago they were introduced! But you can still find these at hobby shops and swap meets. They are out there. I stumble on them all the time for cheap.

A model of SEPTA ALP-44M #2308.
Urk? O_o See: Atlas AEM-7 and custom paint it.
NJ Transit P40BH
Maybe as a resin shell but never mass-produced.
Keystone Cab Car
Again, you could make your own, quicker!
ALP-46/A
Atlas. AEM-7. Came out with them back in 2000. You probably don't remember because you weren't born yet. Joking, joking....
Heritage Amtrak AEM-7s in Pennsylvania RR, and New Heaven Guinness paint schemes. ALP-44s in Central NJ, Pennsy, E-L and Lehigh Valley paints.
Okay, buy yourself some AEM-7s (hobby shops are giving them away for like $30-$40 each), and hire a custom painter!
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Now, if you guys take away anything from this exercise, it should be one thing... Try doing a Google search for some of these items that you are "dreaming" for! You'll be surprised what you can find! :-)

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Otto Vondrak » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:46 pm

Okay, so already I got someone messaging me about custom painters and custom model builders and not knowing what they are or how to find one. Fair enough! A quick Google search for "custom model builder" or "custom model painter" or "model railroad custom paint" etc will turn up several folks willing to offer their services for a price. I make no reccommendations about these people, but I found them on the interwebs:

http://www.layoutsbysteve.com/pain.html

http://www.emperortrains.com/

http://uncledudes.com/cmt/

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeyo4bi/

Custom model building is a bit trickier, since there are all sorts of models out there, not just trains. Also, some folks specialize in professional model building for the industry, rapid prototyping, that kind of thing. So you'll have to do a little hunting until you find someone you can work with.

ALSO - Never underestimate yourself! Try out some of these skills! Practice on cheap models you don't want or like! You will be amazed at how easy it is to become good at painting and decaling! Kitbashing and scratchbuilding is fun, too! Just try it! :-)

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Cadet57 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:45 am

Are you also going to pay the obscene cost required to have a custom model made too? Since you make it sound like its just as affordable as going down to my local hobby shop and picking up the latest Atlas release....

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by conrail71 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:50 am

Since I'm a cheap S.O.B. with an obscenely large pile of spare parts I'm always one to take the option of attempting my own custom construction. Sometimes they come out great, sometimes, not so much. I would still love to see a mass produced FL-9 even though they are made in brass and resin but I was fairly certain it would never happen so I built one myself. It isn't perfect but it looks good enough to make me happy.

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by CNJ999 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:01 pm

NJTRailfan wrote:As the topic states which model engine, trainset or strctures do you hope that the manufactures like Walthers and Atlas hope to do?

Mine would be

1. NJDOT E-8 in Midnight blue. The paint job has grown on me. Hopefully Atlas or Walthers will do 3 different numbers.
2. CNJ GP-7 high nose. Again 3 numbers
3. Phoebe Snow and/or CNJ Blue Comet. Hopefully Walthers while coming out with the next set after the El Capitan will do this.

This is a long shot but maybe the old NY Penn Station or even a section of it that made it famous. Walthers has done a great job modeling stations. Would like to see the old NYP really remembered.

The CNJ Terminal in Jersey City could be another one complete with working clock. Great center peive for any layout.
While I suppose that the NJDOT E-8 and the CNJ GP-7 high nose are perhaps an outside possibility, the CNJ Blue Comet has already been done in brass and given the prices Walthers has listed its latest full train series replicas at, I'd anticipate that their version of a CNJ G-3 steam engine and cars wouldn't come in at any less of an expense!

The stations cited are pretty much out of the question as well, being far too large (apparently their Milwaukee station didn't do very well in the marketplace) to be practical on any but the largest basement-filling empire of a layout. I solved the CNJ terminal delema myself with a little modeling in the following manner:

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Otto Vondrak » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:11 am

Ken S. wrote:Otto,

When I was younger I wanted ready to run NYC Subway cars and look what happened when Trainworld and Life-Like put heads together. Now if I could only get a Whitebird set.
And so far, we've only had one commerically-produced, mass-produced New York City Subway set. Walthers made BART and WMATA cars back in the 1980s, and they FLOPPED. Not enough broad appear. Subway cars and transit seem to get made in O scale all the time, but not HO, I wonder why? Perhaps it is because the collectors are willing to shell out more than the scale model railroaders?
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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by Otto Vondrak » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:30 am

Cadet57 wrote:Are you also going to pay the obscene cost required to have a custom model made too? Since you make it sound like its just as affordable as going down to my local hobby shop and picking up the latest Atlas release....
I don't know if custom services are obscene or not. Different folks charge different rates for their services. Some are quite affordable, depending on the work you want done.

Actually, here's what I said in relation to cost:
Listen, the "dream" models you want can be obtained from any custom-painter or professional model builder. You might pay a little more for what you want, but the upside is that you won't have to "dream" or wait around for a major manufacturer like Walthers or Atlas to make the models you want.
In short, you will PAY MORE for custom projects. But it's either PAY MORE and get what you want, PAY A LITTLE and try to build it yourself, or simply stand around and dream...

Let's go back to the original poster's thoughts.

Let's say you really want an HO scale model of CNJ's Jersey City Terminal (headhouse AND platforms). You have decided that building one yourself is too difficult for whatever reason. You can enlist the services of a professional model builder, and get what you want. You might pay between $500 and $800 depending on how complex and detailed the model is, and how much "selective compression" you employ.

Now, since you decided you need a model of CNJ's Jersey City Terminal, I'm going to assume you have the room to incorporate such a model into your railroad layout. At the very least, I assume you have the room to display the station scene by itself, even if its not incorporated into a layout. Let's say this scene is at least 8 feet long, even with selective compression. So if you're going through all that trouble to recreate a scene of Jersey City during the CNJ era, I'm going to assume that dropping $500-$800 on a custom-built structure is not going to affect you that much. Especially when you consider that the average list price for new diesels out of the box are anywhere from $100-$150. So essentially, for the price of six or seven locomotives, you have the cost of your custom-built model (and you'll need six or seven diesels if you are going to pose passenger train consists at the platforms, right? Never mind that heavyweight coaches in HO scale range anywhere from $30 to $60 each, depending on accuracy and detail).

My point about custom painting is this... You're waiting for a major manufacturer like Walthers or Atlas or Proto200 to decide that a) They need to re-release their EMD E8 models in HO and b) modify them so they match the rebuilt units that were being used by NJDOT (and only NJDOT) and c) paint them in a unique scheme that only one railroad used. I can guarantee you this will not happen any time soon (and I will eat my hat if they prove me wrong). If they were to produce such a specific model for one specific road, even as a limited edition, those models would probably sell for an astronomical price in order to recoup their costs of producing something so specialized.

Now, you could easily buy a second-hand, new in the box E8 off eBay for probably less than $75. Take the model and do the slight modifications that will make the engine match an NJDOT unit (blank out the portholes, add a muffler for HEP). Then you can then do a search and find a custom painter to decorate this unit for you in NJDOT's paint scheme, and he might charge you $100 for the trouble, I don't know. In the end, for about $200 you can probably get the model you want if you don't want to do it yourself.

But never mind all that. My point is, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE INDUSTRY TO MAKE SOMETHING YOU WANT OR NEED. Try building it yourself! You want a model of Jersey City Terminal? Start laying out some drawings and build it out section by section. Join those subsections together over subsequent months, and you'll start to see the terminal take shape. You don't have to do it all at once, and you can probably construct it for way cheaper than a professional. and you might be surprised at how good you become at building models. Find that diesel you want to model, start cutting, hacking, splicing, and painting until you get what you want. It can be done if you take your time and use the right tools. And if doing it yourself is too much hassle, ask for help or hire someone. You have options! Don't dream it, just do it! :-)

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Re: Dream models that you hope will be manufactured

Post by peanut1 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:48 pm

Otto Vondrak wrote:Peanut, you didn't specify a scale for your "dreams," so I'm going to assume HO.
peanut1 wrote:LIRR SW1001's in Harold colors
This sounds like a great idea for a custom paint project.
Amtrak AEM7's
Amtrak P32 Genny's
Um, these were produced in HO scale already.

AEM-7 by Atlas:
http://www.atlasrr.com/Reviews/hoaem7mrn.htm

Okay, so Athearn made a P42, but they are still out there to be found:
http://www.historicrail.com/product_inf ... r%20Trains

Amtrak Keystone cabs
You gave up on your kitbashing project already?
LIRR M1's & M3's
http://islandmodelworks.com/M1.html

LIRR FL9's
You'll have to settle for a regular FL9 and make your own modfications.

http://ihphobby.tripod.com/hopages/hofl9page.html

Branford Hobbies also sells a resin shell and chassis kit for an HO scale FL9. They will also sell them assembled and painted. Branford Hobbies: (203) 488-9865.

Try kitbashing! http://www.deepsoft.com/~heller/workshop/fl9/


Here's the upshot. If you really want a particular model, and it's not offered commercially, the answer is not to hope and dream that someone manufactures it for you. It doesn't work that way. There are many ways to get the models you want, whether you build them yourself or hire someone to do it for you!

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