WALLY Commuter Rail (Great Lakes Central Railroad)

[ARBKAL]

As some of you may know, SEMCOG (Southeast Michigan Council of Governments) has headed up the creation of a new commuter rail line in metro-Detroit.
"The project is being managed by SEMCOG along with partners that include representatives of all communities in the corridor, Wayne and Washtenaw County officials, state and federal representatives, the Michigan Department of Transportation, the local transit operators (AATA, DDOT, and SMART), Amtrak, representatives of Norfolk Southern (NS) and Canadian National (CN) Railroads, and members of the business community."

It will run between Ann Arbor and Detroit, running the same route as Amtrak's Wolverine, with the addition of stops in Ypsilanti and Detroit Metro Airport (DTW).

Here is the link to the most recent update. It contains pictures of the refurb, along with the completed locomotive. When they first released renderings last year, the paint scheme was nothing to write home about. I must say though, this is one good looking locomotive! You can look back to previous monthly updates to view further pictures.

http://www.semcog.org/AADD.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[electricron]

This photo is too large for this web site, so I posted a link to it. http://www.semcog.org/uploadedImages/Pr ... nsist1.jpg
Looks like they've already refurbished an F59-PH locomotive and two Galley cars, the last one in the photo with a cab. Looks like there might be more cars awaiting refurbishment in the background.

The January presentation projects capital costs of $80 Million, funds obligated at $33 Million, with a $47 Million shortfall. Is this train ever going to reach the station? Why is SEMOG spending $33 million when they hav eno idea where the last $47 Million is coming from? It's almost like they are wishing for a genie to appear and blink her eyes or a witch to twist her nose. Without finding the last $47 Million, they could be wasting the $33 Million they have obligated to spend....

Good luck Ann Arbor and Michigan....

[MACTRAXX]

E-Ron: Interesting consist noting the former GO Transit F59 along with Burlington 50s era bilevel gallery cars...

I like the color scheme and the MI-RAIL concept...

The Detroit-Ypsilanti-Ann Arbor route once was served by a RDC train that was finally discontinued sometime in the mid 70s...I recall reading that most of that train's users were PC employees that worked in Detroit probably at the former MC station and building...

Thinking about commuter rail routes has there been any mention about reviving the Detroit-Pontiac service via the former GTW line?
It has been 30 years since this route ended service or thereabouts...

If oil prices see a spike there could be an incentive for reviving Detroit's Commuter Rail lines...a good move in my opinion...

MACTRAXX

[Jeff Smith]

Some news: Progressive Railroading

The cars are being tested for eventual use by the proposed Detroit-to-Ann Arbor and Washtenaw and Livingston Railway (WALLY) commuter-rail services, said Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) officials in a prepared statement.

Amtrak is operating the test train using its locomotive, while Amtrak, Great Lakes Central Railroad, MDOT consultants and the Federal Railroad Administration are conducting the tests.

The cars were purchased from Metra in Chicago and refurbished by Great Lakes Central in Owosso. The cars' new seating was manufactured by American Seating in Grand Rapids.

The cost to refurbish each car totaled $310,000, with funding provided by state and federal sources, MDOT officials said.

[NH2060]

Still no start-up date in sight:
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles ... eventually" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[NH2060]

Here's a promo vid for the MiTrain posted a few months back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFtxB4RjgwM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Detroit]

After reading all the comments in this thread, I did not see any reference about a SEMCOG study done several years ago for its estimate (using SEMCOG''s own data) of the operating costs for the Detroit to Ann Arbor commuter line. So, I will contribute the following...

Doing the simple arithmetic using the SEMCOG expected annual operating costs and ridership, the average operating costs per passenger then came to $146. No capital costs were used, BTW--just operating costs.

That commuter-line project essentially went dormant for most of the time afterward because of the expected super-high operating costs per passenger.

[Milwaukee_F40C]

Since the two dozen fully refurbished (at $350,000 per car) MiTrain ex-Metra Budd bilevels have been up for sale on Sterling Rail for a while, does this mean that the operation has been shut down? It is concerning that I can't find any press discussing what would be a significant development unless Michigan is hoping no one pays attention to it.

[NH2060]

Dated Jan. 9th:
"Meanwhile, efforts to make Ann Arbor to Detroit commuter rail a reality in another two to three years are still underway."
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/ind ... study.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And there you have it, folks!

[Detroit]

SEMCOG last June said that MDOT contracted to lease 23 former METRA cars from the Great Lakes Central RR, and now Sterling has 24 of them up for sale. Hmmm.

The state of Michigan is expecting a surplus at this time, so MDOT is under no immediate pressure to cancel its planned lease. However, the Sterling listing seems a bit suspicious. OTOH, whoever buys the two dozen cars could still lease them afterward.

As far as the project being dead... Was it ever alive? SEMCOG has been talking it up for a decade already, but without any real progress. And there seems not to have been any public clamor about it in the media for quite some time, even from the usual culprits.

[electricron]

As far as the project being dead... Was it ever alive? SEMCOG has been talking it up for a decade already, but without any real progress. And there seems not to have been any public clamor about it in the media for quite some time, even from the usual culprits.

Commuter rail requires some means of getting passengers that last mile or two in downtown Detroit. The existing people mover runs in a one way loop, depending upon where your office building lies on that loop, it could be either a short or long ride.
The proposed streetcar project will run both ways, the last mile ride on it should be quicker. Once both transit systems are completed, then commuter rail trains from Ann Arbor might run full. So, Detroit has set its priorities correctly. Multimodal transit systems work in conjunction with each other to make a better whole.
Imagine how many riders the TRE would get if there were no DART light rail lines through downtown Dallas. I would expect it would have about 25% of its ridership today.

[Detroit]

A SEMCOG Ann Arbor to Midtown commuter route would likely become yet another flop like the SEMTA commuter-train failure that ended some 33 years ago, which ran between the CBD in Detroit and Pontiac--now two deteriorating urban downtowns, one bankrupt and the other one getting there.

Back over 30 years ago, there was still some retail left downtown. Today, what passes for downtown retail in Detroit are a few grungy dollar stores and a fairly new CVS store, even as Gilbert buys many vacant CBD buildings to convert for literally pennies on the dollar. Almost all of the planned loft conversions into apartments died during the past ten years. Two of the three large Riverfront Apartments next to Cobo Hall went into bankruptcy, whereas the third became condos.

Four or five daily round-trip SEMCOG commuter runs (three on weekends) wouldn't amount to that much traffic anyway--considering the relatively high capital and operating costs required.

[dowlingm]

Still talking:
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/ind ... study.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any progress on the West Detroit Connection Track?
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/ ... 7159_7.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Detroit]

Still talking:
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/ind ... study.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reading through the 69 reader comments in that Ann Arbor-targeted article, assumed to be mostly from those who live/work in Ann Arbor, shows that the majority of the commenters are opposed to the commuter line.

Any progress on the West Detroit Connection Track?
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdot/ ... 7159_7.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Progress??? The MDOT document is from 2009.

The actual work replacing the 10-MPH curve was expected to have been completed before the end of 2012...

[Detroit]

My bad... The year 2012 in my post was erroneous. It should be 2011 instead.