St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by gokeefe » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:27 pm

I'm mildly surprised they went West today at all.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by Fritz » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:33 am

Hello,
Today's SLQ westbound 393 departed Island Pond at 0753 (again!) with the following:

RM-1 804
GP40-3 3805
GP40-2 3007
3 centerbeam flats
1 boxcar
1 hi-cube boxcar
1 covered hopper
11 propane cars
8 tank cars

That's 25 cars total, including 1 load and 24 empties.

The 9 AIMX hi-sided gondolas are now gone from the Island Pond yard, but there were 13-14 loads of lumber being unloaded at RCP Transit.
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Re: AIMX cars

Post by NHV 669 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:07 pm

Friday night's 394 dropped 7 AIMX gons on the Groveton siding for storage. Apparently, American Iron & Metal is looking to store up to 50 cars there this winter due to decreased demand.

There may be a 393 this week (tomorrow presumably), but it's not looking good for any 394 runs until the strike is resolved.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by gokeefe » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:23 pm

Does SLR have interchange rights to CMQ at any point? I seem to remember this was possible somewhere in Quebec.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by NHV 669 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:36 pm

Lennoxville, I believe; remember they also had to run over CMQ when they had the bridge washout not too long ago.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by gokeefe » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:47 pm

Well that certainly makes for some very interesting implications given CP's purchase of CMQ ...
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by NHV 669 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:59 pm

Right. It will give CP the ability to cut out a large chunk of SLQ traffic, and as someone posted elsewhere, has the power to greatly affect propane traffic for the entire line.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by Fritz » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:29 pm

Hello,
The SLR ran an "extra" turn out of Richmond this afternoon. As far as I can tell, they ran light engines from Richmond to Island Pond, where they pulled 7 AIMX gondolas from one of the yard tracks. They then proceeded east to North Stratford, where they picked up 20 propane loads that NHCR has brought to the siding there. At 1420, they departed westbound with the following:

RM-1 805
GP40-3 3804
GP40-2 3007
7 AIMX gondolas
20 propane tanks

They reached Island Pond at 1459, where the Richmond-based crew took back over, and continued west at 1502 (3-minute crew change!) and reached the U.S. Canada border at 1542.

Apparently, CN and the union have reached a tentative settlement, and CN trains will resume running tomorrow morning at 0600. I have heard that there are more than 200 cars in Richmond waiting to be delivered to CN. No doubt the many employees and customers (and a few trackside observers) of SLQ/SLR are happy that the strike has ended.
Have a great Thanksgiving!
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by Fritz » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:54 pm

Hello,
One other thought, spurred by the CN strike, but more related to the recent announcement that CP is (re)buying the CMQ ...

Given that almost all traffic to the United States on SLR was grinding to a halt with the loss of the CN connection (due to the strike) even though the CMQ connection at Lennoxville was still active ...

There is almost no traffic from CMQ and, via CMQ, CP that moves east on the SLR into the United States. Almost all of the traffic that moves to Island Pond and points east arrives via CN and their connections to the south and west (NS, CSX, UP, BNSF, and, yes, even CP). I would guess at least 90% and probably more than 95% of the eastbound traffic arrives via CN. As far as I know, any eastbound traffic from CP and CMQ is for local customers on SLR, and no traffic is currently routed from CP to ST via CMQ and SLR (which seems reasonable given their direct connection in New York state).

However, there is a fairly healthy interchange of traffic between SLQ and CMQ at Lennoxville, which may represent two "lanes": 1) traffic from CN that is being delivered to CMQ and 2) traffic from CMQ and presumably CP that is being delivered to SLQ for local customers in Quebec (e.g. Domtar, Kruger, etc.).

With CP (re)buying the CMQ, there is the possibility that first "lane" of traffic would be lost, as CN could directly interchange traffic to CP in the Montreal region, rather than via SLQ. It seems likely that the second "lane " of traffic would remain.

Thus, I wonder if this change in ownership will have only minimal impacts on SLR. Any corrections or other insights would be appreciated.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by gokeefe » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:27 am

I've been wondering the same. So far no implications for SLR seem obvious to me. Agreed that there seem to be some effects for SLQ.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by NHV 669 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:15 am

Fritz, wouldn't those 20 tanks have been empty? Rymes only unloads them. Edit: guess not, thanks.

Thanks for the clarification on the routings/interchange north of the border.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by NYC27 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:18 pm

SLQ has 100% of the long haul business out of the Sodium Chlorate plant in Magog via interswitch. I’m pretty sure the interswitch rules will mean that all that will need to be interchanged locally still.

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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by CN9634 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:42 pm

NYC27 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:18 pm
SLQ has 100% of the long haul business out of the Sodium Chlorate plant in Magog via interswitch. I’m pretty sure the interswitch rules will mean that all that will need to be interchanged locally still.
Shortlines aren't applicable to C-49 (Interswitching) rules and also if they were this area lies within the Quebec-Windsor corridor. SLR is mostly a paper railroad for CN though, but still within the exemption zone.

The Interchange at Lennoxville is CMQ's paper interchange with CN via haulage rights (same point as above). In theory if this is protected in the deal, CP's nearest CN interchange in the east would be Lennoxville, and depending on the quoted routing, it could still end up being relevant.

CP does have some traffic on SLR, mostly the Kruger paper products. With their expansion into a large tissue market, I suspect there might be a stronger bit of interchange in the future.

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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by NHV 669 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:27 am

Back to business last night;

394 left IP with 3007-3804-805-3014, and 50 cars, made a Stratford setoff, and passed Groveton at 2245.

393 didn't leave LJ until around 2130, with 3803-803-3047-3105-3035 and 79 cars passing through S. Paris at 2245.

Trains must have met around 0045, as 393 passed Gorham at 0022, with 394 passing at 0127.
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Re: St. Lawrence & Atlantic Railroad (SLR/SLQ)

Post by Fritz » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:40 am

Hello,
Today's SLQ westbound 393 departed Island Pond at 0803 with the following:

GP40-2 3007
GP40-3 3805
2 centerbeam flats
2 hi-cube boxcars
1 covered hopper
9 tank cars
25 propane cars

That's 39 cars total, including 22 loads and 17 empties.

Apparently, Presby is unloading at least some cars at their Berlin property (former Isaacson Steel); one was spotted there early this morning.
Best,
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