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 #225934  by CGRLCDR
 
How much is left of the Ashely Planes in PA? Does anyone have any map links of the area? Is it worth a 2 hour ride from New Jersey to visit the planes?
 #226006  by CAR_FLOATER
 
Hi!

I'm not sure about the details because I don't have my issue of FD&S that covered the Planes handy, but you might want to check out these links, there should be some info and/or pics that can answer your questions.

Car Floater

http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?bo ... 1045016204

http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?bo ... 1138017281
 #226073  by Ken W2KB
 
CGRLCDR wrote:How much is left of the Ashely Planes in PA? Does anyone have any map links of the area? Is it worth a 2 hour ride from New Jersey to visit the planes?
Try: http://www.terraserver.com/imagery/imag ... er=1&t=pan

The connecting track (the plane track) is shown in the insert map as going south from Ashley to join up with the mainline track curving off to the east. I'm sure the track is long gone, but the ROW is probably intact from the looks of the photo (too steep for any construction).
 #226296  by b&m617
 
:P If you go, do check out the Huber Colliery; I've been in there a few times and nobody from the earth conservancy(owners, office right at the colliery) has stopped me...if they do, tell them you are with the railroad!!
Be careful and get lots of pictures, who knows how long this gem is gonna be there!!!

Work safe
Derail :-D

 #226307  by metman499
 
It should be there for quite a while. There is a historical society that is charged with its upkeep and it seems quite safe. http://www.huberbreaker.org/ for more information.

 #226345  by mhig9000
 
I haven't been there for about 10 years but my dad used to take my brother and I up there once in a while when we were kids. There was still a fair amount left proving their existance, the right of way is still reasonably intact and if it isnt at this point there are still telephone poles, some still with the glass insulators, to mark the way. Concrete footings from a bridge that spanned solomons creek and some concrete buildings and the concrete cable pits still remain. To get there get on PA route 309 north towards mountaintop you will pass the entrance ramps to interstate 81 and soon after see a small restaurant/nightclub (it used to be called Kozy/Cozy K which some websites about the planes will still tell you but now Its called the Brass Rail Restaurant and Saloon you can use mapquest: the address is 2300 Route 309 Ashley, PA 18706) If its still light out there shouldnt be anyone there so you can pull all the way to the back of the parking lot. Then start walking behind the restaurant parallel to the road, there should be a path (local kids still go swimming in "the millie" a pond about 100 yards down) There is a lot of litter on either side. If you continue past the millie which will be at the bottom of a sheer rock slope on your left you will reach solomon's creek and see the footings from the bridge I think there are some logs or rocks or something to get across the creek. Once you get across just walk up parallel to the creek, you should see the telephone poles and then the cable pits and some other remnants. Thats as far as i can remember but im sure there is more. Id check out these photos and maps and try to match them up on Terrafly (which will allow you to zoom to 1.0m resolution www.terrafly.com), Google Maps and when you visit in person:

http://www.gingerb.com/cnj%20ashley_planes.htm
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/wbmap.gif
http://www.gingerb.com/cnj%20ashley_pla ... me_map.htm
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/local_scene.html

If you dont think thats enough to make it worth your while, the Huber Colliery is within walking distance from the planes, as mentioned above, and the old Wilkes-Barre and Hazelton Rail tunnel south entrance is very close although a little harder to find, but its pretty amazing, cut into solid rock and pretty much unfinished. You can walk in about 500 feet if youre brave and have a good flashlight, but it is blocked shortly past that. To get to the Huber, get to main st in ashley (Hazle st in Wilkes-Barre) and continue past ashley until you see the breaker on your right and a sign for the Earth Conservancy. To get to the WBH tunnel you can continue past the breaker, make a right into the Hanover industrial park at the next intersection (you'll pass a parking lot on the right) at the stop sign make a right and continue all the way through the industrial park (you'll come to an intersection with a light at a main road) turn left there and continue until you turn onto main st in hanover then Mapquest Main st in hanover pa to holly st in warrior run. Park on holly and then walk towards 81 (as I recall there is a still a path where the right of way was that starts near a firehouse or VFW?) Its about a 10 minute walk to the tunnel entrance:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/wbh_tunnel.jpg

And heres a map of the tunnel location (parallel black lines near where the two sides of 81 split):

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/wbhr.gif

I hope this stuff helps, i know from experience that it can be hard to find enough about W-B area railroads.

 #227441  by CGRLCDR
 
Thanks for all the information and mhig9000 thanks for the directions - they were perfect. My buddy and I were a little pressed for time so we only spent about 45 minutes exploring. We found the mill pond and the gravity row, telephone poles, the cut and the bridge footing. The ROW was quite overgrown, so we were able to only hike up a short way.

Upon departing the restaurant we headed up 309 south to Glen Summit and Mountain Top and then took 347 down to Rt 80. It looked like the ROW followed 347 to the east. At one point we took a left off of 347 and crossed the ROW on a fill that was probably a bridge sometime in the past. The ROW looked in pretty good shape at that point. We need to come back and do more exploring and perhaps a little Jeeping when we get an earlier start and have a full day.

We did catch a glimpse of what appeared to be an abondoned airport just west of 347 in the Glen Summit area. I can see it on Terraserver, also. Does anyone know what airport that was? I was also surprised by the fact that there are abandoned ROWs all over the place in that area. Probably I could spend a couple of years exploring up there.

Also, I have a general question on the planes. How did they make money moving freight over the hill? It is so steep in that area that they must have been severely limited in the number of cars they could schlep over at one time. Surely the railroad must have been able to more efficiently use the back track for freight and passenger service.

I imagine there must have been some spectacular accidents on the planes with runaways due to cables snapping or breaks failing. Does anyone have a source of information on plane mishaps?

Thanks again everyone.

 #227560  by Ken W2KB
 
CGRLCDR wrote:We did catch a glimpse of what appeared to be an abondoned airport just west of 347 in the Glen Summit area. I can see it on Terraserver, also. Does anyone know what airport that was?

Also, I have a general question on the planes. How did they make money moving freight over the hill? It is so steep in that area that they must have been severely limited in the number of cars they could schlep over at one time. Surely the railroad must have been able to more efficiently use the back track for freight and passenger service.
(1) the airport was no longer needed when the planes were abandoned. :wink: (Sorry, couldn't resist)

(2) To my knowledge the planes were used primarily to lower loaded coal hopper cars and bring up empties so the weight was far less an issue than if loaded cars were pulled up the planes. It saved some 20 miles or so of travel on realtively slow curved track, also with grades.

 #227777  by CGRLCDR
 
I guess the airport only looked abandoned from the raod. Here's the airport information.....

PA76 Rosenzweig Airport
Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania
Location
Coordinates: 41-08-13.1800N/075-51-40.0000W ( 41.13699/ -75.86111)
Located 7 miles S of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania.
Estimated Elevation is 1930 feet MSL.

Also, I found some interesting historical links on the Ashley Planes....

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/ashley_planes.html

http://www.lowerluzernecounty.com/artic ... planes.htm

 #227811  by Ken W2KB
 
CGRLCDR wrote:I guess the airport only looked abandoned from the raod. Here's the airport information.....

PA76 Rosenzweig Airport
Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania
Location
Coordinates: 41-08-13.1800N/075-51-40.0000W ( 41.13699/ -75.86111)
Located 7 miles S of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania.
Estimated Elevation is 1930 feet MSL.
It's not a public use airport and may have only the owner's plane so may well look abandoned. It is on the VFR navchart, though. Since it is private one only can land there with prior permission of the owner or in an emergency. Two short turf runways, one 1,800 the other 1,200 feet long. Even the public use turf airports are hard to spot from the air.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/PA76

 #227818  by RussNelson
 
I took a picture of the remains of Nuangola Station. Purely by dumb luck, I found a photo of the station taken from the same point. Usually when you do a retro-photo, you have a photo in mind that you're re-creating!
http://blog.russnelson.com/railroads/nu ... ation.html
Also, the 1/8th mile that I figured is about the 500' of accessible tunnel that someone else spoke of. I'm still wondering if the I-81 construction destroyed the north tunnel entrance. From the maps, it looks like "yes".
 #227857  by JimBoylan
 
I-81 goes over the North portal of the Wilkes Barre & Hazleton interurban tunnel, but I don't think it was destroyed, just fill dumped in front of the portal. In the 1970s and 1980s, I was able to walk all the way through into the curve almost at the North end. There was a corrugated drain pipe so the dead end wouldn't get flooded, but at that time, there were no water leaks in the North half. Along the way, there were 2 very large rock falls as high as where the roof used to be. When I last visited in 2001, it was much wetter much farther in, and hip boots should have been worn, so we only went about half way in, just past the top of the hill in the middle. In earlier years, this part was past the wet zone, but this time, it was quite flooded.
My own wishful thinking is that when the Interstate Highway was blasted in the 1960s, every loose rock for the next few years fell down!
Is anyone ready for some exploration this summer? It is a nice trip for a very hot or cold day.

 #227861  by RussNelson
 
Interesting! So from what you're saying, it sounds like, if you're willing to climb over the rockfall at the 500' mark, you can continue on in the tunnel. Too bad they didn't route I-81 above the tunnel portal. That, in conjunction with the Lehigh Valley line going up the side of the hill, would have made an excellent rail-trail. Ahhhh, well, that which could have been but will never be.

I had some time to explore the WBnH last year on the drive back from Blacksburg, VA. We stayed overnight in a nearby town. Didn't have enough time to explore the tunnel.

 #227870  by JimBoylan
 
The photo at http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/wbh_tunnel.jpg must be the North portal, now under I-81; the South portal is on straight track and has no concrete. All that rock over the top makes me think that the highway crews just dumped fill and didn't destroy anything. E. J. Quimby in his history book says that you can still see where the portable substation siding at the North portal was, at the edge of the highway fill. This photo doesn't show the siding, so it must not have been right at the portal, and probably this curve is now under I-81.

 #238108  by Xplorer
 
Hey guys good stuff you got here. I have posted a great deal on the CNJ and WB&H in another forum. No use in duplicating I will just link. The Wyoming Valley is my home turf and most of all Hanover Twp, Ashley and Nanticoke. The link here is to the WB&H post where I have some pics and another local is doing a fine job adding info. One side of the Tunnel is still there on the Nuangola side. I have a pic of my atv coming out of it and the concrete side is the same side. The other side is gone. Also the concrete substation pad is gone. I have been up and down these ROWs and mountain sides for more than 20 years now. (CNJ/LV/DLW/D&H/PRR/WBE/WB&H) About 6 mths ago I bought a home in Blytheburn and I am not more than 200 yards from the station. Would love to help with any questions you guys may have.
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