TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:01 pm

I'm not expecting to find very much.

This r.o.w. was abandoned in 1886. 128 years ago.

Any r.o.w. I find will be hard to determine if it was built by the railroad or built by man.

It was built to minimum standards so most of it has been eroded by nature.

A lot of the TV&C was built on trestle work. They had planned on going back and filling it in.

Pat Connors said he read accounts of gravel trains to Rushford in order to fill in the trestle work.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:03 pm

Here's 74 pages of TV&C news items that were in area newspapers from 1881-1894 (when the tracks were torn up between Fish Lake and Cuba):

http://www.alleganyhistory.org/culture/ ... news-items" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:06 pm

Here is the TV&C grade through a swamp north of Crystal Lake:

http://tinyurl.com/pfb4cxj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - where the + is

Confirmed by a B&S map that shows the grade next to the B&S main

The B&S grade is between the TV&C and Rt 98

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by RussNelson » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:26 am

Are you saying that the obvious grade next to the wetland is the TV&C?

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:35 pm

^Yes, that's the TV&C. I plan on hiking around there tomorrow.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by RussNelson » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:02 pm

Any news? What did you find?

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:04 pm

^Yes, I was there yesterday. It looks like former grade. There was still a lot of snow on the ground so I'll go back soon to double check.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:09 am

page 1648 here:

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=u ... p;seq=1656" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reports that the TV&C in 1891 had 4 Howe truss bridges:

Attica
Arcade
Fish Lake - bridge over BR&P - labeled as "trussed beam bridge"
Cuba - bridge over Oil Creek

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by RussNelson » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:09 pm

Great find!

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:37 pm

^I actually found it years ago. Just rediscovered it.

Look here:

http://tinyurl.com/nfbwwdj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's trees on a mound of earth which could be the TV&C grade before it crossed the BR&P. (It looks more like a possible grade when the leaves are off the trees.)

The highway is on the B&S grade. The bridge over the BR&P is ahead to the left.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:27 pm

^Here is a pic of that possible grade back in May:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225735" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The TV&C would have curved to the left ahead to cross over the BR&P.

The TV&C grade south of Crystal Lake where it paralleled the BR&P:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225734" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:59 pm

thebigham wrote:Here is the TV&C grade through a swamp north of Crystal Lake:

http://tinyurl.com/pfb4cxj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - where the + is

Confirmed by a B&S map that shows the grade next to the B&S main

The B&S grade is between the TV&C and Rt 98
A few pics of the grade through the swamp which is really "Moores Pond.":

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225802" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two questions:

1. Was this ever operated by the Attica & Freedom RR?
2. Was this stretch ever operated by the Buffalo Attica & Arcade RR?

By reading the Edward A Lewis book, it looks like the line below the Sandusky gravel pit and Crystal Lake was never operated after the TV&C discontinued operation in 1886.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:21 pm

I hiked in today where the BA&A came out of Moore's Pond to head to Crystal Lake:

http://binged.it/1MwIMBV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The grade is in pretty good shape!

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:57 pm

I was looking at some old posts from the old Railroad.net forum and read some discussion where the TV&C grade was along Rt 446 outside of Cuba:

http://binged.it/1jfKeiQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This was near the beginning of the 1000 foot long trestle that went over Oil Creek and the PRR Rochester Branch. It connected to the Erie and BE&C in Cuba.

By looking at the 1960 aerial photographs of Cuba, it's easy to see the TV&C grade where the Erie's Cut Off Line crossed it:

http://www.historicaerials.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by RussNelson » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:09 pm

thebigham wrote:This was near the beginning of the 1000 foot long trestle that went over Oil Creek and the PRR Rochester Branch. It connected to the Erie and BE&C in Cuba.
I wonder if there are any stone piers to be found?
By looking at the 1960 aerial photographs of Cuba, it's easy to see the TV&C grade where the Erie's Cut Off Line crossed it:http://www.historicaerials.com/
Yep, and you can trace it north from there through the woods to where it crosses Cuba Lake Outlet. Have you ever gone looking for abutments there?

There might be something NE of the junction of S. Cuba Lake Road and S. Shore Road, in the woods.

A nice bit north of CR-7A: http://binged.it/1RDtLlN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Speaking of which, if you go there, please look at the street signs and report back on what they say. OpenStreetMap is completely confused about the name.

There's an obvious bit right here: http://binged.it/1XUClS3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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