TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

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TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:53 pm

This thread is for discussion of the TV&C narrow gauge from Sandusky south to Cuba.

In the Wyman Bridge thread, members have posted that they have found remnants of the TV&C grade around Crystal Lake.

I've seen the narrow gauge row behind the current Rushford school.

Here are a couple of maps of the narrow gauge:

http://www.alleganycountynylocalhistory ... d-Cuba.htm

A map of the narrow gauge from Crystal Lake to Rushford:

http://www.alleganycountynylocalhistory ... Summit.htm

A map of the TV&C/BE&C connection in Cuba:

http://www.alleganycountynylocalhistory ... 20Burt.jpg

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:49 pm

At this location just outside of Rushford:

http://g.co/maps/y2j64

Pat C has a picture of a TV&C passenger train with the large house in the background.

The row would be where the mailbox is.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:55 pm

This is the former TV&C station in Rushford. It was split in half with an addition in the middle:

http://g.co/maps/a9ff4

I don't think it has been moved. The driveway is the narrow gauge row.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:52 pm

I'm not good at the Acme Mapper thingy:

http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=42.38617,-78 ... 5C%2C%20ny

The cross should be where the TV&C row was behind the Rushford school.

Pete Davies showed me this location.

Pete also told me that his dad or grandpa used to own a farm just outside of Rushford. He remembers when they plowed under the TV&C row when he was a kid.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:58 am

The Cuba TV&C map above is no longer available due to a problem with the website.

This could be the location of the cantilever single on the map:

http://binged.it/HiVbMl

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by Pete D » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:43 pm

I still have a piece of rail which was plowed up near the Rushford school. The TV&C engine house was located in the field north of the school. A freight station was located across the street from where the old Agway mill is now. The late Bill Reddy told me once that all TV&C trains originated in Rushford acording to a time table he had.
I discovered one good way to locate the right of way is with a metal detector. Aparently, when the track was pulled up they simply dropped the spikes on the ground and left them.
Pete Davies

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by erie2937 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:35 pm

Pete is quite correct about dropping spikes. We used a metal detector to find the route of the Lackawanna & Pittsburgh at Belfast Junction. We found spikes that were more than a foot down. Obviously we had both a detector and a shovel. In those days spikes were of no salvage value. So take a detector along when you indulge in railroad archaeology! H.T. Guillaume

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:58 pm

I did some exploring today in Rushford:

http://tinyurl.com/kwxujj4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

#2 is the big house that has a narrow gauge passenger train in front of it in a photo that Pat Connors has.

#3 has to the TV&C r.o.w. based on the picture.

#4 is the still standing TV&C station. The r.o.w. would be north of the house.

#5 is where I think the TV&C r.o.w. is. Pete Davies showed me this section once. The r.o.w. ends at a creek. There must have been a good-sized bridge there.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:54 pm

Using Russ Nelson's Open Street Map of the TV&C r.o.w, I think I have found a few places where the roadbed could be seen.

Going NW here off of County Road 7c: https://goo.gl/maps/S5bWc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Going south of Lyndon Center Road: https://goo.gl/maps/o3ezb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crossing Rawson Road: https://goo.gl/maps/sMDpq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Going NE of White Meeting House Road: https://goo.gl/maps/CaxDc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crossing Hardys Crossing Road: https://goo.gl/maps/CGH7P" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; You can barely see the r.o.w in the fields.

The tracks were torn up between Cuba and Rushford in 1894. Of course that was 130 years ago.

From reading the TV&C newspaper articles, I think the TV&C grade was in better shape between Cuba and Rushford. North of Rushford is where the tracks were built on "stilts."
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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by RussNelson » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:00 pm

I revised the routing in OpenStreetMap a bit using your research, thanks for sharing it!

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:22 pm

Here's Russ' TV&C grade map:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/50714983" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a map of the TV&C between the BR&P crossing and Rushford:

http://www.alleganyhistory.org/culture/ ... ord-summit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Based on this timetable:

http://www.alleganyhistory.org/culture/ ... -timetable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cuba to Rushford was approx. 15 miles.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:01 pm

I was at the Arcade Historical Society today.

I saw the picture of a 2 car TV&C passenger train.

The baggage car is marked TV&C.

The train is on trestle work.

The train is not in front of the house on Rt 243 in Rushford like I said above.

I think its the same house in the background of the train photo.

The lady at the historical society said she would scan it and post it at the Arcade Historical Society Facebook page.

So that is two pictures of a TV&C train that we have.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:09 pm

So today I headed to B&S Road that is built on the B&S grade.

Just to the right of the road as it leveIs off I found a short stretch of the TV&C grade! It's heavily overgrown, but you can tell it's a former grade.

I also went behind the Rushford school and took pics of the TV&C grade there.

I went across the creek and looked for the TV&C grade. It's plowed under.

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:46 am

^The grade off of B&S Road is at Pushpin #9 here:

http://tinyurl.com/myg7lj6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: TV&C from Sandusky to Cuba

Post by thebigham » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:15 pm

The Arcade Historical Society has posted a pic of a narrow gauge TV&C train on their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 022&type=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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