Believe Mr Musk took a cue from the Beach air driven tube subway that was demonstrated back in the late 1800's in Manhattan.
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Description of a very high speed transit (VHST) system operating in its own rarefied atmosphere in evacuated tubes in underground tunnels. Most cases considered took less time to go coast-to-coast (e.g., 21 min) than it takes an aircraft to climb to an efficient operating altitude. VHST's tubecraft ride on, and are driven by, electromagnetic (EM) waves. In accelerating, it employs the energy of the surrounding EM field; in decelerating, it returns most of this energy to the system. Tunnel systems would be shared by oil, water, and gas pipelines; channels for laser and microwave waveguides; electric power lines including superconducting ones; and freight systems. Environmental and economic benefits are substantial, and the technology for building and operating the system exists.Trans-Planetary Subway Systems: A Burgeoning Capability | RAND (1978)
Describes a subway concept called "Planetran" comprising electromagnetically supported and propelled cars traveling in underground evacuated tubes, able to cross the United States in one hour. It is designed to interface with local transit systems, and the tunnel complex also contains utility transmission and auxiliary freight-carrying systems. Tunnels represent a major problem area and most of the cost. They will be placed several hundred feet underground in solid rock formations. It will require advanced tunnel-boring machines, such as hypersonic projectile spallation, laser beam devices, and the "Subterrene" heated tungsten probe that melts through igneous rocks. Planetran is rated as a system high in conservation of energy. For every car being accelerated, there is one decelerating in an adjoining tube. The decelerating cars return energy to the system. The tubes have a reduced atmosphere, making drag losses much smaller than for aircraft. Coast-to-coast energy costs are expected to be less than $1.00 per passenger.Looks like he was proposing maglev trains.
ExCon90 wrote:Have any details been released about evacuation of passengers in the event of an emergency in the tunnel?By employment of fast-response mortician teams.
ExCon90 wrote:Come to think of it, back then a lot of people thought steam-powered "horseless carriages" weren't feasible, and guess what--they were right.The Stanley Steamer and competitors were serious competitors to gasoline engines, for a while.
CLamb wrote:Depending on how high a vacuum is needed outgassing could be a problem. Not only could the outgassing from the tunnel and the vehicles compromise the vacuum but it can also degrade the materials giving off the gas.One may not need a very hard vacuum. Elon Musk himself once proposed 1% of external pressure (0.01 atm) for his Hyperloop. That would make a 300-km/s-equivalent of drag at 3000 km/s.
mtuandrew wrote:Scot and Brendan: also remember that people thought electric cars were practical, briefly, at the turn of the 20th century before abandoning the technology for something better. I'm not convinced that Hyperloop won't suffer the same fate - being technically possible, but economically unnecessary and less useful than other tech.Electric cars were better behaved than internal combustion vehicles, and one was still used in the late 1920's or 1930's by a little old lady to visit her friend. Electric cars with their original Edison batteries still working still exist.