Better NYC Access

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Thomas
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Better NYC Access

Post by Thomas » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:45 pm

Suppose we had to choose between ARC and Seven Extension to Secaucus, which of the two would be the best way to meet future travel needs?

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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:07 pm

neither one, as both are not happening.
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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by Thomas » Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:15 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:neither one, as both are not happening.
Which makes Gateway more likely to occur...

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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by ExCon90 » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:50 pm

You could prefer the 7 Extension on the grounds that it's better than nothing, and ARC was worth nothing from the beginning -- a good thing it got no further than it did. And Gateway is going to occur.

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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:04 pm

The NY subway system will never go interstate, simply not happening and impossible to fund.
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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by Thomas » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:16 am

The NY subway system will never go interstate, simply not happening and impossible to fund.[/quote]

I do not think that the Seven Extension to Secaucus is impossible to fund.

You could prefer the 7 Extension on the grounds that it's better than nothing, and ARC was worth nothing from the beginning -- a good thing it got no further than it did. And Gateway is going to occur.[/quote]

So what you are saying is that, from worst to best, the order for enhanced trans-hudson capacity goes: Access to the Region's Core, Seven Subway Extension to Secaucus, New Jersey, Gateway?

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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by DutchRailnut » Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:49 am

no you are saying that I am saying things, I said the two choices you gave are having zero chance at all...
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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by ExCon90 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:57 pm

Right. ARC and 7 Extension are tied for zero, leaving Gateway the sole survivor.

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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by 4400Washboard » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:31 pm

I don't mean to come across as dismissive or anything, but there is no chance of getting the 7 train into NJ

Theres no money and WHY? Why would you need expansion? You have a mix of NJTransit and PATH and you can connect to buses

As a regular 7 train commuter i never saw any use for expansion to NJ-Javits is useful because i can get to the NYAS quick but why NJ? You might as well build a separate subway line-it puts extra miles on the subway cars and i will literally scream if i see PANYNJ stickers on 7 trains 👿. The 7 train in my pinion is built for one use only: to connect commuters in Flushing and woodside and long island city to major manhattan transport hubs-not as another way for new jersians and new yorkers to cross borders. Use existing infrastructure
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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by morris&essex4ever » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:50 pm

I agree with Dutch, neither would best meet future travel needs. None of the above is the right answer.
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Re: Better NYC Access

Post by mtuandrew » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:43 am

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