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 #1163982  by kaitoku
 
Locomotives capable of exceeding the 110-mph speed limit on the passenger rail corridor between Chicago and St. Louis will be bought for Illinois and four other states under a process the Illinois Department of Transportation will lead, officials said Thursday.

The Federal Railroad Administration selected IDOT to manage the multistate procurement of at least 35 next-generation locomotives for high-speed rail corridors in Illinois, California, Michigan, Missouri and Washington state, Gov. Pat Quinn said.

The locomotives will be capable of cruising at up to 125 mph, based on a request from California, and they will comply with the most stringent federal EPA emission standards, officials said.
complete article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 2021.story
 #1166185  by Fan Railer
 
mtuandrew wrote:GE has already released artists' conceptions of a next-generation Genesis. It looks pretty similar to the current model, but with a different, more rounded nose and a GEVO power plant.
lol those are around a decade old, afaik. I am addressing internals, specifically a prime mover. If EMD is using CAT, does that preclude GE from using CAT? I see them either developing their own high speed diesel, since they already have the powerhaul platform, or using Cummins, which i doubt.
 #1166238  by DutchRailnut
 
The new MBTA HSP-46 is essentially same Genesis in a different body, 3 phase propulsion, based on P32acdm locomotive with a GEVO engine of 4600 Hp
GE is not planning to built passenger locomotives, unless they get a large order (or multiple small orders) for now they will have small specialty manufacurers like MPI built the small orders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPI_HSP-46
 #1166374  by DutchRailnut
 
Only locomotives ordered in Future need compliance with Tier 4.
A locomotive ordered at tier 3 regulations is Grandfathered for life, unless a total techincal rebuilt takes place.
 #1166390  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
electricron wrote:The GEVO diesels MBTA is buying meets Tier 3 emissions, does GE make a diesel that meets Tier 4 emissions?
Meeting Tier 4 emissions is important for future passenger train operations publicity.
The only Tier 3's that I think are available now are the latest incarnation of the MP40PH-3C, and I think that's only for the spankin'-new ones being built for SoundTransit...not GO Transit's existing fleet. MPI HSP-46 and Brookville BL36PHI are coming soon, so T3 is just getting started.

The EMD F125 is the only Tier 4 available for order right now, and that won't be available until 2015 when Metrolink's order starts arriving. Everybody has them in-design, though. GE, MPI, Bombardier, Alstom, Brookville, Siemens. All the usual suspects have Tier 4 tech at some stage of development for the U.S. market.
 #1166503  by mtuandrew
 
Check the GE Forum for pictures of their Tier 4 testbed locomotive. It's an ES44, but maybe the technology can be crammed into a Genesis body. And yes, I know the pictures are pushing a decade old. What does that matter when they are reasonably clean and up to date, and more importantly, able to be made with existing dies and molds?
 #1166651  by dowlingm
 
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:The only Tier 3's that I think are available now are the latest incarnation of the MP40PH-3C, and I think that's only for the spankin'-new ones being built for SoundTransit...not GO Transit's existing fleet
Some of GO Transit's MP40s are being Tier 4 reengined for political reasons. Was to have been QSK95 but now 2 x QSK60.
http://www.cumminspr.com/Off-Highway-Pr ... a=55781320
 #1166867  by Fan Railer
 
Siemens seems to have an eye on this sector of the North American locomotive market:
http://w3.usa.siemens.com/mobility/us/e ... tives.aspx
Furthermore, Siemens is in the process of developing a high-speed diesel electric locomotive (up to 125 mph) to support the growing demand for accelerated passenger rail services in North America.
Last edited by Fan Railer on Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
 #1166869  by electricron
 
Fan Railer wrote:Siemens seems to have an eye on this sector of the North American locomotive market:
http://w3.usa.siemens.com/mobility/us/e ... tives.aspx
http://w3.usa.siemens.com/mobility/us/e ... -%20ACS-64
Why post a link to an electric locomotive on a thread about diesel locomotives?

Amtrak is already buying the Siemens built electric locomotive for the NEC - so it is apparent Siemens is selling their electric locomotive in North America. But I doubt Illinois DOT will be buying electric locomotives for corridors requiring diesel locomotives.
 #1166887  by Fan Railer
 
electricron wrote:
Fan Railer wrote:Siemens seems to have an eye on this sector of the North American locomotive market:
http://w3.usa.siemens.com/mobility/us/e ... tives.aspx
Furthermore, Siemens is in the process of developing a high-speed diesel electric locomotive (up to 125 mph) to support the growing demand for accelerated passenger rail services in North America.
Why post a link to an electric locomotive on a thread about diesel locomotives?

Amtrak is already buying the Siemens built electric locomotive for the NEC - so it is apparent Siemens is selling their electric locomotive in North America. But I doubt Illinois DOT will be buying electric locomotives for corridors requiring diesel locomotives.
Perhaps it would benefit you to read the article instead of jumping to conclusions. Granted, there was an error in the text I was trying to quote, which has since been fixed.