Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

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NE2
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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by NE2 » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:30 pm

Here's the listing in Poor's, post-discontinuance: http://www.archive.org/stream/poorsmanu ... 4/mode/2up
It's probably one of the two lines south of Livonia village here: http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/ ... /New+York/

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by blabey » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:50 am

Note that the Poor's Manual referenced in the above post shows the Corporate Secretary of the Livonia & Lake Conesus RR to be an "M. B. Fuller". I presume that Mr. Fuller was the great grandfather of Mortimer B. Fuller III, the present Chairman of Genesee & Wyoming, Inc. The Fuller family organized both the G&W and the Livonia & Lake Conesus to serve the requirements of their salt operations in the Genesee Valley. Much later, Mort Fuller III had the vision to take the 11-mile shortline his family owned and to build a giant railroad conglomerate that spans the globe from Australia to South America and Europe.

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by erie2521 » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:07 pm

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by sean3f » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:56 pm

Here is a video of a meeting of two train's at Conesus junction, that is a steep grade. You can see a train on the line from Livonia and he has to switch back .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7GG9OsL2rE

It's at the end but, Did this used to be part of the Livonia and Lake Conesus?
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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by blabey » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:18 pm

Conesus Lake Jct. was where the Erie linked up with the CONESUS LAKE RR. The current LAL line between Conesus Lake Jct. and the end of track at Smith Lumber in lakeville was originally built by the Conesus Lake RR - an independent company which the Erie later acquired. The little line connected with steamboats on the lake across a pier that is long gone.

The Livonia & Lake Conesus was a different line affiliated with the salt mine south of Livonia which was owned by the same interests that owned the G&W.

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by RailKevin » Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:11 pm

The Steam Powered Video's Comprehensive Railroad Atlas of North America (Northeast Edition 2007) shows the alignment of the L&LC on page 50. I cannot scan the page without permission, so I will describe what is depicted instead. The only topography on the map is water, so some interpolation will be necessary.

From south to north, the L&LC starts at South Livonia (the Erie had a station there on Decker Rd just west of Route 15). I do not know if there was an interchange. The L&LC line angled to the northwest toward the shore of Conesus Lake (between McPherson Point and Old Orchard Point) and ran north along the east shore until arriving at Lakeville. Then, the L&LC continued north along the east side of the LAL line. The L&LC is depicted as terminating at Conesus Lake Jct (again, I don't know if there was an interchange).

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by VTM » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:07 am

Which was never built in that configuration.

Please refer to my previous posts

I have seen at least two variations of the L&LC on NYS maps of the time. Both are wrong.

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by sd80mac » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:49 am

After chasing Q091, I head back to rochester on thruway. As I got closer to bridge over LAL, I saw headlight on north side. LAL train was returning to Lakeville with trio alcos!!

funny thing.. as I drove under CSX bridge near G.C.C. in east side of Batavia, ML train was going over bridge. Then I drove over R&S bridge.. Yes... Empty salt train was heading back to mine..

No, I am not lying or joking... very good day for me.. too bad that i wasn't taking pictures of R&S and LAL.. of course I cant bec I was driving :wink: Roadster might be frowning on me if I did.. at least he cant give me ticket :P

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Re: Livonia & Lake Conesus Railroad

Post by s4ny » Sun May 26, 2019 7:50 am

The Erie owned the line from Conesus Lake Jct to Lakeville as well as the line from Painted
Post to Attica. The line from Avon to Rochester was leased.

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