Seems kind of dumb to me, after all that time spent running empty test trains to get the shipper to even use the railroad in the first place. To turn it into what, the Massena Branch?
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Bigt wrote:Personally, I think the line still has potential. It just needs a railroad company thatAgreed. If it's not a cash cow, EHH doesn't seem to be interested.
wants to operate it, and, provide good service. That is not CSX.
BR&P wrote:You've got a long stretch of railroad, difficult weather conditions in winter. How much money are they apt to make, how much if any bridge traffic will CSX give them, is there ANY possible new business given the business and political climate of NY State? Is the current on-line traffic enough to make the line viable?Great points, Don. I'm certainly no expert on this line, but as far as I know there's not much traffic (if any?) between Woodard
Before answering who might want it, we need to ask why would someone want it?
lvrr325 wrote: Traffic has to come from somewhere, you can't just swap blocks back and forth and hope they magically become loads somehow.Now that's words of wisdom right there - I like that!
charlie6017 wrote:I'm certainly no expert on this line, but as far as I know there's not much traffic (if any?) between WoodardB778 seems to have reasons to go south. I think there may be a customer in Parish that they handle.
and Watertown.
lvrr325 wrote:NYS&W is a no go, no longer independent company, no reason for them to connect CN to New York. if CN was even still interested. Would be like handing half of the line over to NS, I don't see CSX doing that.This a very astute assessment. Unlike some other traffic lanes, CSX has made no moves to reduce or eliminate traffic on the St. Lawrence Sub. I think it's safe to assume EHH still wants the traffic to/from Montreal. The only alternative is to route traffic via CP, but that would add a 3rd RR to the rate pie (which also includes CN). The St. Lawrence Sub is handicapped by a relatively low volume of local traffic, but it's far from being the only line in the Northeast that no longer has a large manufacturing base.
Massena has some local traffic and iron ore trains. New York & Ogdensburg up there too.
Fulton branch has regular unit trains for the ethanol plant plus a number of customers served by a once a day local; Woodard also still has enough local customers to support a local. Port of Oswego gets enough cars to warrant a trackmobile to switch them. Traffic's certainly not what it used to be but the south end is busier than ever with the various trains up and down.
Seems unlikely even under Hunter Horse's Caboose that CSX would give up being able to market one road Montreal to Miami service. That was the primary reason for not selling before. Then they developed the intermodal facility. Traffic has to come from somewhere, you can't just swap blocks back and forth and hope they magically become loads somehow.